Alessia, Morihaus and Pelinal : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:01 pm

Inspired by the 'slave queen' Alessia, the enslaved nedic humans in Cyrod starts a violent uprising against their cruel Ayleid overlords. The nedes are soon supported by Pelinal Whitestrake, an inscrutable and nearly invincible warrior with an undying hatred for the elves, who single-handedly decimates the Ayleid armies. With Pelinal on their side, the human rebellion succesfully topples stronghold after stronghold, each time increasing their number with liberated slaves.

The humans are also joined by the armies of Skyrim, lead by the winged bull Morihaus. The combined armies form an unstoppable force that quickly conquers all of the peripheral city-states of Cyrod. All sights are now set on White-Gold Tower, the last and greatest stronghold of the Ayleids.

Source: Shezarr and the Divines, The Song of Pelinal

Morihaus was Alessia's lover ?

Ok so, is this http://www.flickr.com/photos/twinmar333/5358373610/l? At the moment of binding Alduin/Akatosh? Alessia on the right, Morihaus in the centre and Pelinal on the left? Or any configuration?
Does anyobody have any other theories if these are not them?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:57 pm

One thing to remember, is that that Wall is not the Elder Scrolls. It may still be portraying an unbiased view of past events, but it is being told through the viewpoint of Nords for the viewpoint of Nords. So if it would, say, mentions Tiber Septim, it'd mention Ysmir instead.

If it is (I think it's wholly new characters, but where's the fun in that, I know), then it'd be as how the Nords perceived them which would be... I don't know. I don't know if they'd have just different personalities or different names or different events ascribed to their name, or what.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:34 am

I am aware the wall is not the Elder Scrolls. Still it protrays several events that happened or will happen regarding Alduin's return.

I also thought it might be Ysmir instead of Pelinal since he appears to be using Thuum, but why would he be there?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:15 pm

It only mentions that part of the wall as being "The defeat of Alduin" at Gameinformer.com

We've not been told by any source of lore yet that these three were even present in Skyrim during Alduin's last rampage.

And Morihaus is literally a winged bull, not a man.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:54 pm

Alduin’s Defeat
This cryptic image tells of Alduin’s fall to humanity’s ingenuity and bravery, but more than that is not known. This piece of the puzzle would be incredibly important to understand for someone new who might hope to defeat the dragons once again. Who are the individuals standing against Alduin? How did they expel the dreaded beast from the world? Perhaps the re-emergent Dragonborn will uncover the answers.

Agreed, this is what the message on the wall is.

But I assumed they were not in Skyrim but wherever Alduin was defeated. The moment where he was bound to the Empire of Man.

Now Morihaus is a sort of demi-god, sort of, so i assume he can take other forms as well. He was Alessia's consort and the thought of him being permanently in the form of a winged bull freaks me out and I also feel pity for Alessia. . http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/tcoc_imperial_city_morihaus.jpg

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:35 am

MK made a post a long time ago stating in no uncertain terms that Morihaus was almost always just a big bull with wings, including when he made love to Alessia.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-song-pelinal-5

It is a solid truth that Morihaus was the son of Kyne, but whether or not Pelinal was indeed the Shezarrine is best left unsaid (for once Plontinu, who favored the short sword, said it, and that night he was smothered by moths). It is famous, though, that the two talked of each other as family, with Morihaus as the lesser, and that Pelinal loved him and called him nephew, but these could be merely the fancies of immortals. Never did Pelinal counsel Morihaus in time of war, for the man-bull fought magnificently, and led men well, and never resorted to Madness, but the Whitestrake did warn against the growing love with Perrif. "We are ada, Mor, and change things through love. We must take care lest we beget more monsters on this earth. If you do not desist, she will take to you, and you will transform all Cyrod if you do this." And to this the bull became shy, for he was a bull, and he felt his form too ugly for the Parvania at all times, especially when she disrobed for him. He snorted, though, and shook his nose-hoop into the light of the Secunda moon and said, "She is like this shine on my nose-hoop here: an accident sometimes, but whenever I move my head at night, she is there. And so you know what you ask is impossible.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:31 am

I see. Isn't it possible that he can be portrayed as a man sometimes? As in his statue for example. In any case it might not be Morihaus, yes, but someone else. So the question remains. Who could they be if not those 3?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:28 pm

I see. Isn't it possible that he can be portrayed as a man sometimes? As in his statue for example. In any case it might not be Morihaus, yes, but someone else. So the question remains. Who could they be if not those 3?

Could be people we've never heard of before, or ones we don't know enough about to place them there. It's intriguing to note that they represent the three archetypes (warrior, mage, thief), and the GI article has a screenshot of the stat page where the outline of that mage image is used as a backdrop on the night sky.. like it was the mage birthsign or something.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:38 pm

I see. Isn't it possible that he can be portrayed as a man sometimes? As in his statue for example. In any case it might not be Morihaus, yes, but someone else. So the question remains. Who could they be if not those 3?

There's this archetype in Tamrielic lore about the Three, usually a Mage, Thief and Warrior. It occurs multiple times. Two notable examples are the three people who are Talos (Tiber Septim the Thief, Zurin Arctus the Mage and King Wulfharth the Warrior) and the Tribunal (Vivec the Thief, Sotha Sil the Mage and Almalexia the Warrior.)

It's possible the three figures who defeated Alduin are a Nordic variation on this theme.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:28 pm

I did consider the 3 archetypes originally but I am not quite sure the right-most figure is a thief. ( Looks like a woman to me, but I could be confusing the lighter frame of a thief with a woman, also she is holding a staff?)
I haven't seen that picture. Is it the exactly the same mage central figure?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:24 pm

I did consider the 3 archetypes originally but I am not quite sure the right-most figure is a thief.
I haven't seen that picture. Is it the exactly the same mage central figure?

Hmm, I took another look at the article image, and it doesn't seem to be the exact same figure. It does kinda look like it compared to the old birthsign image, though.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:36 pm

I did consider the 3 archetypes originally but I am not quite sure the right-most figure is a thief. ( Looks like a woman to me, but I could be confusing the lighter frame of a thief with a woman, also she is holding a staff?)
I haven't seen that picture. Is it the exactly the same mage central figure?

Which picture are you talking about?
A picture of Almaxia, Vivec and Sotha Sil?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:33 am

Which picture are you talking about?
A picture of Almaxia, Vivec and Sotha Sil?

The one I have linked in the original post. It is basically the centre part of Alduin's Wall and shows Alduin being defeated back then

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:45 pm

The one I have linked in the original post. It is basically the centre part of Alduin's Wall and shows Alduin being defeated back then

To me it looks like the two on the sides. Cant decide if it's a woman and a man or man and man or woman and woman.
But never the less.
To me it looks like they're using Thu'um to channel/cast He-Who-Eats-The-World aka Alduin away and thereby keeping it in the current kalpa/era/what ever, I'm tired.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:19 pm

The one in the middle is definitely a Mage. The other two are a bit ambiguous. They do appear to be doing something with their voices or the air.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:05 am

Here is a larger version and slightly more clear. Yes they appear to be some form of Dragonborn so that's why i decided against the 3 archetypes. Alessia was a Dragonborn no? I am not sure if Morihaus could use it, but he was Kyne's son so possibly? Pelinal?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twinmar333/5358207339/

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:13 am

Pelinal was more the "kill everything with the super nuclear laser I have for a left hand and slaughter the survivors with my mace and sword. Tam! RUGH!" kind of guy.

In all likelihood their identities will be revealed in the game during the events of the main quest, likely by Max Von Sydow's character through dialogue. I wouldn't be surprised if they were some aspect of the Three.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:49 am

I have solved the riddle and all that on gameinformer.com and such it's just I cant really decide if they're female or male.

She wasn't exactly "a Dragonborn" but she were the first to hold the Amulet of Kings and is the one who made the pact with Akatosh (http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-amulet-kings, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-trials-st-alessia).

And I also think they're part of the Triuneity (spelling?) of the Mage, Thief and Warrior.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:23 pm

I have solved the riddle and all that on gameinformer.com and such it's just I cant really decide if they're female or male.

She wasn't exactly "a Dragonborn" but she were the first to hold the Amulet of Kings and is the one who made the pact with Akatosh (http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-amulet-kings, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-trials-st-alessia).

And I also think they're part of the ~~Triuneity~~ (spelling?) Triune of the Mage, Thief and Warrior.

This isn't about the riddle really, just speculating if Alessia and her friends are indeed those on the wall.
It was mentioned in the recent interviews that there were many Dragonborn families and Alessia belonged to one of them ( if I remember right). So in a unique position to argue with Akatosh and "strike a deal" i.e bound him to her newly founded empire. I was initially going to say that one of them is Marukh but nobody looks like a monkey there. Arguably there is no winged bull either.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:44 pm

Mor the thief, Alessia the warrior, Pelinal the wizard. I might have Alessia and Morihaus switched, but Pelinal is definitely the mage.

Morihaus is "Taker of the Citadel." Alessia receives the world to rule from Pelinal, who was betrayed. The wizard is betrayed, always.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:39 pm

Alessia is the wizard. She summons the storms. Morihaus is the warrior. Pelinal is the thief, I think. Because he finds a way to cheat death, like Umaril, and return again.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:01 pm

No, Pelinal is without debate the wizard.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:15 pm

No, Pelinal is without debate the wizard.

He has lazorz to prove it too.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:10 pm

Damn strait. The scene where Morihaus holds up the head of Pelinal is a give away. Morihaus took the Tower, he's the Thief.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Damn strait. The scene where Morihaus holds up the head of Pelinal is a give away. Morihaus took the Tower, he's the Thief.

You're right I guess. I dunno how I got that mixed up.

I guess he would have been the one to take the Tower, since Pelinal was all dismembered and [nummit].

The whole Pelinal's talking head thing always cracked me up. If Song 7 is to be believed, the damn thing was still alive at Alessia's funeral.