St. Alessia

Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:59 pm

Did Alessia have any children, and if she didn't how could other people wear the amulet if they weren't blood related.
Also who was the first to wear the amulet after her?
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Emily Jones
 
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:06 pm

She did have a child, and the father was a demi-god bull who could fly, named Morihaus. The resulting child was a minotaur (or at least called a Man-Bull), named Belharza. I'd assume Belharza wore it next, but it was eventually lost when the Alessian empire fell . Reman I was the next to wear it after the fall.

Also, you don't need to be related by blood to wear it, as Tiber's direct line eventually ended early-ish during the Septim rein. But that doesn't mean any ol' person could wear it. Had more to do with the King and Rebel relation, I believe.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:41 pm

Well if Tiber's predecessors, like the Uriels, aren't directly related to him, i.e. 5th cousins thrice removed on their ex-step-uncle-in-law's side, how is it that they can wear it and harness its power? Does this amulet have a mind of its own and know who is the emperor(ess)? (Boy, I haven't posted in the Lore section in such a long time. I sure do miss it.)

Hellmouth, are you also a modder? besides being a lore buff?
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:11 pm

Me, a modder? Hell no! I svck at modding! If I could mod, I'd Warhammer the living hell out of my MW and OB.

Any who, as how they can wear it, they're the King. Mankark Cameran eventually wore it because he became the King, while he was the Rebel before...or something like that. I forgot the exact reason. Just hope proweler, Lady N, Luagar2, or any other the other big guys pop their head in here.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:52 pm

Reman is a direct descendent.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:46 am

Yeah I know. Tamriel = Alessia and all that. Must have been quite the lovely hillock.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:42 pm

Only the loveliest ever.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:48 pm

Or a last ditch effort to get laid before dying (Hrol) :shifty:
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:34 pm

Me, a modder? Hell no! I svck at modding! If I could mod, I'd Warhammer the living hell out of my MW and OB.

Any who, as how they can wear it, they're the King. Mankark Cameran eventually wore it because he became the King, while he was the Rebel before...or something like that. I forgot the exact reason. Just hope proweler, Lady N, Luagar2, or any other the other big guys pop their head in here.

Mankar Camoran was the descendent of the Camoran Dynasty of Valenwood, which has been prominent since the First Era. And of course he was the son of the infamous Camoran Usurper. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Valenwood is the information.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:27 pm

I meant the King and Rebel relation, not the lineage of the Camerans.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:18 am

I meant the King and Rebel relation, not the lineage of the Camerans.

In that case, from what I've seen, many of those who would be considered Rebels gain, through successful warring, enough of a claim to ruling Cyrodiil that the Amulet can be worn by them (as a claim to the throne seems to be the prerequisite for being able to wear it). At the same time, however, it isn't the only way to wear the Amulet, as some (and in fact probably most of those who've worn the Amulet) can gain claims to the throne without trying to usurp the current King.

Edit: The main confusion on wearing the Amulet, both on the Forums and in Cyrodiil, seems to come from the fact that the vast majority of those who've been able to wear the amulet and actually do so were descendants of the previous rulers.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:14 pm

Thanks for rectifying what I was trying to say, Red Pally :P
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:24 am

Edit: The main confusion on wearing the Amulet, both on the Forums and in Cyrodiil, seems to come from the fact that the vast majority of those who've been able to wear the amulet and actually do so were descendants of the previous rulers.

agreed
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:58 pm

There used to be an article about the rebel and king stuff on TIL, but apparently it haven't found its way to the new site yet, so http://www.imperial-library.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1191096406/0 is the only version I could find.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:23 am

Although it's not official/canon as far as I know, I've heard over the years that those who can wear the amulet aren't related by blood so much as by an innate royalty (or CHIM?).

Gortwog was allegedly another character who could have worn the amulet if he had had the chance, though in his case he's related by blood to the Septims if I heard correctly.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:28 am

Also, you don't need to be related by blood to wear it, as Tiber's direct line eventually ended early-ish during the Septim rein.
Blood relation and direct descent are different things.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:07 am

Thanks for replying, I'm a little confused though still do you just need to be a king or a major rebel to wear it, or am I still missing something?
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:43 pm

Thanks for replying, I'm a little confused though still do you just need to be a king or a major rebel to wear it, or am I still missing something?

From what I've seen, you need to have some sort of claim to the throne of Cyrodiil to be able to wear the Amulet. Usually this amounts to being the descendent or designated heir of the current king, or a rebel attempting to usurp power AND actually doing well enough that it's a possibility that you could take the throne. Some rebels, like the Camoran Usurper and his son Mankar, never actually succeeded.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:12 am

From what I've seen, you need to have some sort of claim to the throne of Cyrodiil to be able to wear the Amulet. Usually this amounts to being the descendent or designated heir of the current king, or a rebel attempting to usurp power AND actually doing well enough that it's a possibility that you could take the throne. Some rebels, like the Camoran Usurper and his son Mankar, never actually succeeded.

Thanks that helped a lot, and Alessia only had one child, and it was a minotaur?
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:06 am

Presumably. Belharza was named the Man-Bull, so people assume he is a minotaur, but its never really stated. Likewise, he was the 2nd king of Cyrodiil, and it makes sense for him to be the son of Alessia and Morihaus, but he doesn't have to be. They could have had a whole lot more kids who didn't make it into the history books.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:36 pm

Presumably. Belharza was named the Man-Bull, so people assume he is a minotaur, but its never really stated. Likewise, he was the 2nd king of Cyrodiil, and it makes sense for him to be the son of Alessia and Morihaus, but he doesn't have to be. They could have had a whole lot more kids who didn't make it into the history books.

Alright thanks Lady Nerevar your always a huge help when it comes to lore, and congrats on becoming a TIL librarian.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:57 pm

From a purely genetic standpoint (if genes even exist on Nirn), 'sides the Minotaurs I'm still fairly certain Alessia probably was related to the Kothringi (or Kothri, if there's any difference), but they're all dead now thanks to the Knahaten flu anyway, and http://www.imperial-library.info/content/water-getting-girl-and-inverse-tiger being named after her could have more to do with her status of "hero of all mankind" rather than any cultural similarity. It's hard to say.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:41 am

After the rebellion just about everyone was named Alessia, from what I gather. Biblical names were (and still) are popular, but with Cyrodiil they only have one real universal saint figure, and thats Alessia. The Kothri lived more in the south, towards Black Marsh, and since Perrif grew up in Sard (near the Rumare) I doubt she was of that tribe. Her parents could have been transported there, of course, but I think by the time of enslavement most Nedic tribes kind of melded into one culture instead of preserving their original tribal identities. Thats mostly conjecture though, as always.

Vollkoffer: Thanks :)
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:15 pm

Presumably. Belharza was named the Man-Bull, so people assume he is a minotaur, but its never really stated. Likewise, he was the 2nd king of Cyrodiil, and it makes sense for him to be the son of Alessia and Morihaus, but he doesn't have to be. They could have had a whole lot more kids who didn't make it into the history books.

Ouch....I feel sorry for Alessia.
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Post » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:48 pm

After the rebellion just about everyone was named Alessia, from what I gather. Biblical names were (and still) are popular, but with Cyrodiil they only have one real universal saint figure, and thats Alessia. The Kothri lived more in the south, towards Black Marsh, and since Perrif grew up in Sard (near the Rumare) I doubt she was of that tribe. Her parents could have been transported there, of course, but I think by the time of enslavement most Nedic tribes kind of melded into one culture instead of preserving their original tribal identities. Thats mostly conjecture though, as always.

Vollkoffer: Thanks :)


Well, she could've had silver skin, at least. :)
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