Then again, it may not be a case at all, the event that is. (Also in repeating it that the DLC is meant for fun and extra content)


Who said anything about me not liking the Fallout Series. Its a great series, I give it that.


Ya keep assume that just because its "officially" part of the game, its canon, but its not really the case. It may or may not be canon at all in the Fallout Universe.

Even if he didn't make them, he had access to design documents and individuals who did. That's what I was saying. Because of that access, what he says is official for the Black Isle version of Fallout.

And yes. Sadly Black Isle Fallout ended with Black Isle. Bethesda could have made it so that Bethesda Fallout could mesh perfectly with Black Isle Fallout, but there are too many little changes, such as FEV existing elsewhere, changes to the technology (like the GECK), amongst other things for that to work. Rather then see what Bethesda did as a retcon, I believe I will prefer to view it as an alternate version of the Black Isle Fallout universe. I'd rather not, as some settings become lessened with more and more alternative realities, in my opinion. It's like Transformers. There are so many different continunities, that it gets to the point that you don't know at times, where one ends, and another begins. I rather see Fallout spared that fate, but it's better then repeated retcons.

The Spaceship exists if your own character gets abducted or not doesn't matter I've gone over this already. Haven't you come up with any better reasons yet?



So are video games for that matter. I don't need them in my life there just something extra that's nice to have.



Okay you just stated you would be fine if Bethesda said all the events of all the previous games didn't happen and yet now you say it's a great series?



If it's official content how would it not be canon? Also I've explained mulitple times here on the ferris wheel how adds to the Lore yet you haven't explained why it shouldn't be consider as canon. All you have done is state how you personally don't like or don't care about most of the DLC and are basing your judgements on that.

Reason for what? Hell, the whole event in that DLC does not take place in the first place. And it, for some reason, it does, doubt it would be remembered into the next installment anyways.


Many event of the DLC that Bethesda releases. That what I mean.

Officially, it just there for entertainment. Thats all. All I stated that these DLC may or may not be canon to begin with. I don't care if they are made to for fun of it, its the case that it is lore or not.

You previously stated that it may or may not have happened now it doesn't happen?



Like I stated it lays groundwork for alien interaction in future games and details aliens to some extent.



You didn't write that or give off that impression so that's why I came to my conclussion there.



So are Fallout games.



There in the final version of Fallout 3=canon.



Well considering that these DLC do add lore to the Fallout world that's not in conflict with anything else it would appear they are Lore.

More in a sense, it doesn't.
And again, it may not be a groundwork for alien at all.

Naw, misread/misinformation is the case here.

And they have limit to whats lores and whats not.


And again, ya assuming its canon, which may not be the case at all.


No confliction, but again,these DLC may not be a case of canon at all.

For a game that's ostensibly about allowing to a large extent each indvidual player to decide what happens to their character and the world at large in their own game - does it strike anyone else as odd that there's suddenly such a focus around here on getting everyone to accept one narrowly-defined view of the Fallout universe? If I choose not to buy Mothership Zeta, I think I ought to be able to safely say that my character never encountered extra-terrestrials in Fallout 3 (aside from crashed spaceship, of course,) and that aliens don't play any sort of role in the Fallout lore. (I actually am planning on buying that, but just argument's sake...) If I do buy the game, then I think I can safely say aliens do exist in the game.

Why can't both be "right?" In all reality, I highly doubt we're going to have alien companions and factions in future Fallout games. It sounds very much like Bethesda just thought this might be a fun little DLC to play around with. If they really cared one way or another whether or not aliens are "lore" they would have made a bigger deal about the whole thing in the vanilla game. Why are we making a bigger deal about this than the Developers seem to have? I don't think Todd Howard is going to lose any sleep if I decide to say that any particular DLC didn't "happen" because I didn't feel like paying money to play it. Why should any on this forum care so much?

Pretty much goes down to players. There no way my name is????? would accept my view and I would definitely not accept his. In the end, this is all a big circle argument.

With that said, cased close, no one was right/wrong, and nu_clear_day get this:

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Considering there getting fully introduced I'm doubting this.



You said "Indeed" and "no,not really" while a cleary stated myself.



Well aliens are in the originals so why they have to limit them to not being lore.



Well there in the final version as I have stated (how many times?) if you don't personally like them and ignore them fine that's cool but there still there I stated then in the beginning yet you completely ignored that.

Well considering the topic is "aliens are fallout lore" and it's controversy what did you expect? My thing is I'm thinking about people buying the game 3 years from now and coming on these forums talking about Aliens and getting told "it was just a DLC for fun those events don't happen." "It's not an expansion so it doesn't count" "Aliens aren't a part of the fallout world since they aren't in original version of the game." That makes no sense telling someone that is what I'm getting at because soon or a later more people are going to have all the content vs. people who don't have the content. As far as why can't both be right the answer to that is time. After a few years the majority of players are going to have the Goty or all the content download and view it as canon that is the reason why.

"2069
March

Vault 13 is finally completed - it is the last of the Vaults, and drills begin. Due to its late completion, the "cry wolf" effect that hurt the other Vaults is not as pronounced. "

"2063
August

The construction of most Vaults completed, except for Vault 13, whose construction finally gets off the ground... heralding a development cycle that seems plagued with problems. Drills begin in the other cities with completed Vaults, but the increasing frequency of the drills has a "cry wolf" effect, and the turnouts for drills trickle off as the years go on."

So if you read that, "most Vaults" doesn't say ALL vaults, except 13 which would be the proper way to say it. Then it say's EXCEPT, so it seems as if 13 was the final one not finished. It's all interpretation.

So...being this anol about canon and dismissing anything that goes against it serves to just be a pain in the ass basically.

That would be why I don't think they should be evalated to a non joke status lol. New players will think "Oh, they're an important part of the Fallout setting", when they really don't have much importance until Zeta comes out. This is why I hate retcons and alterative universes for game settings.

Like the new Star Trek movie. Yeah.

Well the aliens had importance in a way in FO3 already. Anyone who's played knows about the crashed ship, might know about the Firelance and the radio broadcast and probably was intrigued by it.

From Fallout 3, a terminal in the Citadel:

Vault Number... 106 ,Starting Construction Date... March 2064 ,Ending Construction Date... December 2069

Vault Number... 108 ,Starting Construction Date... March 2061 ,Ending Construction Date... December 2069 (due to work stoppage)

Vault Number... 112 ,Starting Construction Date... November 2068 ,Ending Construction Date... June 2074

Vault Number... 76 ,Starting Construction Date... February 2065 ,Ending Construction Date... October 2069

Vault Number... 87 ,Starting Construction Date... May 2066 ,Ending Construction Date... December 2071

Vault Number... 92 ,Starting Construction Date... May 2062, Ending Construction Date... May 2068

It's a very minor issue, but it does show Bethesda's tendency to miss certain details. It's expected considering it IS an entire game series with a lot of history built already.

He didn't even know how to spell "wanamingo." He wasn't following the design docs. His first retcon contradicted basic facts about the creatures, and the fans had to correct him. That wouldn't happen if he was following the design docs. It's a completely thoughtless retcon of something he just didn't like. He also wanted to pretend that much of Broken Hills didn't happen. I assure you that isn't in the design docs for Fallout 2. He intended to change things and take the series in a new direction (or get it back on track) after Fallout 2, but he never got a chance to do so. He wasn't even heading the project when it got canceled.

That's a bit of an assumption, isn't it? That an overwhelming majority of everyone who has ever played Fallout 3 will have played every single DLC? You might end up being right - I just that's quite a statement to make without something to back it up? Is there some sort of market data from Oblivion on which to base a conjecture about the sales of DLC?

I think it's safe to say the people who actually care one way or another in the first place are in minority. The majority of Fallout 3 players are happily going about their business, playing what DLC they feel suits them, and will never set foot in this forum in the first place. Regardless, since when does being in a minority mean I wouldn't be entitled to my own opinion?

Not to be overly nit-picky, but there's actually no conflict to be found there. It only says that Vault 13 is the last Vault completed, in March of 2069, with most Vaults being completed around six years eariler in August, 2063. There's around six years during which the rest of the Vaults can be completed. So long as they're finished by March, 2069 - there's no problem in the above statement at all.

I think that's a minor retcon by Bethesda to explain why the layouts and technologies of the Vaults on the west and east coasts are completely different.

Aye. It's a very minor issue. In truth, the layouts seen in Fallout 1 and 2 are far from accurate anyways; they lack most facilities needed that are seen at least in Vault 101 and also they lack housing for 1000 people

The other issue with Bethesda's Vaults is numbers. All Vaults in Fallout 3 have a personnel list far shorter than 1000 assigned. Also, the Control Vault, Vault 76, lacked a GECK in the equipments list.

It's all very minor, but proves changes do exist, retcons have been made, etc. Once again, it's all off the topic of this thread :>

Then again, it can just be there for fun.


They are in the original as a 50ish retro reference of aliens, which only appear in special encounters, which that itself are easter eggs of reference of pop culture.


And again, even if they are in the finals, its still that they may or may not be canon at all. And I did not ignored them it either.


Naw that just assuming that these kind of argument died down. And, that just assuming that what they would even consider whats canon or not.

Nope that's going off the way they did there last two games and how everything turned out .



Some people have lousy internet where they live, hate GFWL, thought the price of the DLC is to high(I agree with that part defineatley), didn't bother getting the DLC becuase they decided to wait on the Goty. Those are just a few reasons why people who already own the game will buy the Goty. That's not even mentioning all the people that will buy the Goty having never played Fallout 3 before.



Morrowind is probably a better example not Oblivion because of how old the game is. If you buy it your going to pretty much have to get the Goty and the majority of people who own the game have that version of it. As far as sales data go I'll look for that later.



Dude I highly doubt I'm ruing your experience at all. If you don't like what I have to say fine I'm just telling you how things are.



Again the whole game is just there for fun.




They were there were they not?



If it's in the final version of the game and millions buy it and Bethesda never comes out and states it's [censored] how could it be viewed as anything but cannon?



Well considering there last two games and all of the extra content that was on the final versions end up becoming cannon.

If referring to the past two games, how so?


But again, that just assuming they would have it or even play it to begin with.


Not that how it thing are, it usually how the franchise handling what is in the lore to begin with.


They are fun, granted that there are an extend that what was lore and whats not.


As injoke. Like all the other special encounter.


By Fallout 4.


And again, who said anything these extra content may be canon in the first place.

SI Bloodmoon and Tribunal are canon are they not so what's the difference?




Like you keep assuming it's not canon?




When has Bethesda as the current owner of the franchise said it's not lore? Then were in the original games afterall so all this expansion does is add on to that.




Joke or not it's there and it's getting expanded upon.



Your assuming we'll here anything about Fallout 3, Fallout 2, Tactics etc. in the next game we might not here anything about them at all.




Well considering Aliens are canon to begin with why would the DLC not be viewed as canon?

It is what it is. Personally I'd prefer something else over this but these are the cards we got dealt.

They are expansion. That dramatically increase their chances in the history book.


Because most likely, they ain't canon at all.


Naw. Beth is now in control of course, but doesn't mean that their DLC is canon or not.


So pretty much, ya wanted to expand a joke.


Tactics ain't canon. And assuming, Fallout 4 might mention teh event of the main quest of Fallout 3, but in doubt in that it would be in full detail.

More or less, its goes back to that it is a DLC.

Fallout 3's DLC are expansions on the final version of the game so if there previous games expansions go down in history why would the current ones not? That's seriously bad logic just going on size only.



According to you but and only you really.



Why do you think they won't be canon? There track record says otherwise.



Apparently Bethesda did. Me I don't really care either way. I'd prefer something else like I stated in my last post but it is what it is.



Semi



They could mention everything in the next game or nothing we won't know to it's out now will we? Even if they don't mention the events of Fallout 3 it doesn't mean they didn't happen.



So was SI which you consider canon. If you going to argue that it's not canon because it's a DLC then please be consistent at least.