Aliens in Fallout: New Vegas

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:28 pm

Actually the first time aliens were found in a Fallout game was in the first one, there was a random encounter in Fallout 1 with a space ship, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Ship

We all know that. It is called a damn easter egg. a The United Federation of Planets shuttle is in fallout 1 as well so should star trek be in fallout :P but lets not get into that again.
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Wane Peters
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:15 pm

I don't want any plot involving them either, maybe just an easter egg. Maybe the Area 51 facility holding a docked UFO that was being experimented on before the Great War along with other alien technology (e.g. Alien Blasters).

or a connection between the aliens and the FEV. Like a crashed UFO that contained a vat of the stuff and American scientists experimented with it. But no actual quest, maybe as a freeform quest that appears in Area 51. Like in FO3 whenever you entered one of the other vaults there were clues as to what happened and the events that lead to their downfall
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:31 pm

No more aliens, please!!

But Predators, YES!!

Okay, I'm just kidding. They should probably give us aliens but NOT the same lame aliens we saw in Fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas should have new species of aliens which are bigger, fiercer, more sinister, more evil, more menacing looking and deadier than those lame humaniod aliens we saw in Fallout 3. And introduce them differently from the way it was introduced in FO3 and MZ. Area 51 is a great location for such events.

Anyway, those humaniod aliens in FO3: MZ are pretty easy to take out. Just wear the Chinese Ghost Armor and reverse-pickpocket a grenade on them. It works 90% of the time. I find MZ quite a bore.

If there are aliens in NV, make it impossible for them to be pickpocketed.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:45 pm

i'm not opposed to aliens in fallout...but i also must say that i'd rather the appearance of aliens be restricted to either easter eggs, or maybe an unmarked quest...

however, i really really wish that they weren't the black-eyed 'greys' that have become the stereotype for intelligent extra-terrestrial life...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:49 pm

Area 51 as a kind of District 9 all over again? Factions fighting over Alien weaponry?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm

i think they should put 1 live alien next to a crashed ship with 3 dead ones and 3 dead people from area51 and one of the dead guys from area51 should hav the location of area51 and there should be lots of alien experiments in area51 with t-51b armour modified with alien stuff and alien weapons and a working spaceship.they shouldnt make it a big part but make it a small -medium part in the game.


ps. mothership zetas only good the fitst time you play it just thought i should say that
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:36 pm

See Aliens bringing FEV to the world is exactly the kind thing that is going to result from lazy Beth writers (Obsidian is smart enough to not mess it up, thus far at least) wanting to toss more soulless toys into the sandbox. FEV doesn't have mysterious origins. It has very specific origins that actually add to the story and the history of the series. It was a government project to fight chemical weapons that a faction of the American government took control of when they realized it could be used to make super soliders.

Now isn't that a better story than, "ALIENS! OMG ALIENS!"


What did MZ contribute to Fallout 3? It was a corridor shooter in the guise of an RPG. Oh no...stand here while i kill those guys. Then kill the aliens until you get to the central hub. Then pick one tunnel follow it, kill everything. Do that 3 more times. The End.

Ahh...back to my original point though. The way Beth handled Aliens was lazy and unfaithful to canon. Oh Aliens caused the war? Really? I thought it was Resource Wars. I thought the European Commonwealth went to war with Arab countries to try to get that there oil. I thought America got into Canada under the guise of helping fight the Chinese Communists only to annex them years later. I thought...let me quote here right quick,

I thought, "October 23: Great War: Bombs are launched; who struck first is unknown. Air raid sirens sound, but very few people go into vaults, thinking it is a false alarm. The Vaults are sealed"

I was wrong though. It was those darn aliens. They so crazy.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:57 pm

Not enough options in the poll. Should have been a Yes, but only as an easter egg choice, and maybe even a yes with a more crashed alien ship feel. I definately don't want to see living aliens in this game. It just doesn't fit the setting. Mothership Zeta was so gamebreaking, I almost didn't download it, however I did, because I needed my FO3 fix, and it literally was the straw that broke the camels back. I never finished it, and I barely play FO3 anymore. The only good thing about Mothership Zeta was the unscoped revolver you could get.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:23 am

I got Mothership Zeta purely for that revolver. I was hoping they might be able to take the aliens in an interesting direction. Instead we were left with soulless blarg eech aaach cannon fodder and Holotapes that spat on canon. Bummer.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:36 pm

See Aliens bringing FEV to the world is exactly the kind thing that is going to result from lazy Beth writers (Obsidian is smart enough to not mess it up, thus far at least) wanting to toss more soulless toys into the sandbox. FEV doesn't have mysterious origins. It has very specific origins that actually add to the story and the history of the series. It was a government project to fight chemical weapons that a faction of the American government took control of when they realized it could be used to make super soliders.

Now isn't that a better story than, "ALIENS! OMG ALIENS!"


Agreed, humanity is perfectly capable of killing itself and creating new technology to kill itself without extra terrestrial intervention. I wouldn't mind seeing an alien side quest or two in a future Fallout game including New Vegas (as long as its handled better than Mothership Zeta was), but aliens should not be responsible for the technology or state of humanity in the Fallout universe. It's unnecessary, lazy, goes against the setting and worst of all it's cliche.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:10 am

Yes...bring the aliens on; but, only as easter eggs like in the original game when they were a cool thing to see jetting across the night sky and finding the power cells was "WOW!!!" I got one. Not an overwhelming hammer of "Your getting your ass beaten!" by alien death squads. Aliens in FO should be like porm in erotica. It's hinted at, toyed with, but not usually open and obvious or graphic. Aliens are porm. Tease us, but don't F' us with them.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:00 am

ET encounter "ET go home" ... "ET go home" ~finger points~ " ouch" *Bang
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:56 pm

See Aliens bringing FEV to the world is exactly the kind thing that is going to result from lazy Beth writers (Obsidian is smart enough to not mess it up, thus far at least) wanting to toss more soulless toys into the sandbox. FEV doesn't have mysterious origins. It has very specific origins that actually add to the story and the history of the series. It was a government project to fight chemical weapons that a faction of the American government took control of when they realized it could be used to make super soliders.

Now isn't that a better story than, "ALIENS! OMG ALIENS!"


What did MZ contribute to Fallout 3? It was a corridor shooter in the guise of an RPG. Oh no...stand here while i kill those guys. Then kill the aliens until you get to the central hub. Then pick one tunnel follow it, kill everything. Do that 3 more times. The End.

Ahh...back to my original point though. The way Beth handled Aliens was lazy and unfaithful to canon. Oh Aliens caused the war? Really? I thought it was Resource Wars. I thought the European Commonwealth went to war with Arab countries to try to get that there oil. I thought America got into Canada under the guise of helping fight the Chinese Communists only to annex them years later. I thought...let me quote here right quick,

I thought, "October 23: Great War: Bombs are launched; who struck first is unknown. Air raid sirens sound, but very few people go into vaults, thinking it is a false alarm. The Vaults are sealed"

I was wrong though. It was those darn aliens. They so crazy.


Is it true or are you giving an example?? (haven't played MZ) I hope it's not true, because if it is, they should stop creating Fallouts and give rights to create them someone who is better at creating fallout, because they are crap at that.
In the next fallout (made by bethesda) we will find out that elves gave plasma technology to the people. xD
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:30 pm

HELL NO!!! Mothership Zeta laid a Cleveland Steamer all over FO canon!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:49 pm

Is it true or are you giving an example?? (haven't played MZ) I hope it's not true, because if it is, they should stop creating Fallouts and give rights to create them someone who is better at creating fallout, because they are crap at that.
In the next fallout (made by bethesda) we will find out that elves gave plasma technology to the people. xD


Unfortunately it is indeed true. A broadcast mentions how it was the Aliens that caused the Great War. That coupled with the general generic svckiness of the aliens in MZ made it the worst thing I've ever downloaded. It left such a stain of svck on my overall experience i couldn't even have fun with the loot i took off of Paulson's dead corpse.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:33 pm

Get over it, Aliens are canon.

It is unbelievable how far some of you that don't like that fact will go to insult MZ with outright lies. MZ did not change anything in the lore, FEV wasn't made by aliens, aliens didn't start the great war. Every time this topic comes up the same people come out and throw around the same old baseless arguments on how MZ will destroy the entire franchise if Bethesda doesn't hold a press conference and declare it "non canon".

To the guy that always loves to mention "Dr. Who", "Godzilla" and "Star trek" as being comparable with aliens in FO ; A giant possible footprint that is a slight possible reference to Godzilla does not show or mention Godzilla. A blue telephone box that lights up and then dematerializes is a reference to Doctor who, yet it is really just a mysterious machine that in what it appears to do is perfectly practical in the FO universe. An advanced crashed human space shuttle with the bodies of the crew wearing clothes that along with the shape of the shuttle nodding to Star Trek is perfectly fit in the FO despite the slight nod. A Crashed alien space ship with the bodies of dead aliens with an alien blaster that also exists outside of this encounter is not a mere reference. That you keep trying to compare these things in the grossly inaccurate way you do is childish.

Just because aliens exist doesn't mean there is a federation of alien species with galaxy spanning empires. What we know is that they are very advanced, have been interested in humanity for a while, and yet don't have any desire for control over Earth. They appear to be mostly interested in experimenting genetically and otherwise. Asking "well why don't they just take over Earth, build cities and have the game direction go humans vs aliens" is like asking why don't marine biologists take over the Mariana trench, or why don't anthropologists overthrow primitive Amazonian tribes and build cities in the jungle.

We don't know their motivations, their full capabilities, or any amount of their desires. Could they be at war with other aliens? Are they running out of resources and looking for more? A new planet? None of that is the point.You don't know and whatever it could even end up being doesn't matter, as they probably will never go that far into the alien lore. They have clearly demonstrated that they are only interested in occasionally abducting and experimenting on humans and monitoring us. They serve a perfectly acceptable role as an antagonistic group and force that is enigmatic and rarely seen.

It is understandable if you don't want a full blown alien plot like in MZ. But just because it is there does not mean the events as they transpire happened. A good example of this is Oblivion and The Shivering Isles. The Shivering Isles is a real place in the lore, and everything you do in it is perfectly fitted to the lore and so on. In the end you basically become a demi god of a different realm. Now even though everything that happened is accurate lore wise do you think in the next Elder scroll game there will be references to the Oblivion main character becoming a demi god? No, it probably won't, most of the side plots events don't become "cannon" that doesn't make them "non cannon". They serve to show more of the story and lore in the game, what happened in MZ shows what an alien ship is like, what aliens are like, and some of the things they did. In all likelihood future FO games won't reference the lone wanderer taking over a alien ship and killing most of the aliens on board, for the same reasons they probably won't reference him also recruiting Charon and having him turn on the reactor. The bare main parts are what caries over, in a purposefully ambiguous way, the rest are self contained parts of the game and lore but the actual events are not.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:55 am

Only as an easter egg form, or some evidence at Area 51 base of their tech. But no more live aliens or MZ please.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:48 pm

HELL NO!!! Mothership Zeta laid a Cleveland Steamer all over FO canon!


And FO cannon ate it.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:49 pm

Spiders seems to have not seen the little journal that does in fact state that aliens caused the Great War. Play through it again Spiders.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:58 am

This topic is near enough to post limit to close as it now seems to be discussing whether aliens are canon or not.

If you wish to continue that line of discussion you can do so http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1078258-aliens-are-canon/
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