With Zeta out in a couple of weeks, and the whole aliens concept now apparently canon, do you think they'll have a role in New Vegas or Fallout 4?

I hope not, personally. I mean sure...I know the DLC isn't out yet but I still consider it a joke/easter egg. I just want to know if you think the presence of aliens is now a solid part of the games?

No, the only reason Bethesda is doing this DLC is because they thought it would be funny to do one where you were abducted by aliens.

but aliens have always been in fallout. so maybe it will be cannon, but that doesn't mean in will influence or show up in any future or games.

I truly hope not. MZ looks (from the info so far) pretty and all, but at the same time bland and out of place alien grinder that does not, in my humble opinion, invoke any too positive (or Fallouty) feelings - at least not yet.

So, as obvious from above statement, I have my votes on no-more-aliens please. :shrug:

While aliens are certainly cannon now, if they weren't already, they are still not in any way the focus of the game series or game world, and one DLC does not change that.

There might be scarce side-quests about them in the future, and probably mentions of them in documents or on computers, but nothing like "Aliens are the new Enclave!" or what-have-you.

Phew. I hope not.

The whole idea just isn't very Fallout-ish to me. Sure people bring in the 'oh but it's 1950's' etc, but aliens is pushing that a bit, especially in a game about a nuclear holocaust.

The only thing that rings a bell in my head about aliens and 1950's is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space.

Correct. Plus, there has been aliens in Fallout 1 and 2, so they have always been canon.

In Fallout 1 aliens appeared in a special encounter that was supposed to be non-canon, along with Doctor Who and Gozilla's footprint. No aliens appear in Fallout 2.

Heh most alien movies I'm familiar with were made around the 1960's onwards (even the one you mentioned it late 1950's).

I definitely don't think it'd fit with New Vegas, I'm expecting that to be a bit like New Reno.

So the Monty Python special encounter is canon also? W00tzors /s

That's what I mean...the line is a little blurry, I don't know if aliens are supposed to be classed as canon now, or just a joke that was slightly more elaborate in FO3?

I don't think there's really much risk of Fallout 4 being about you and your alien buddy trying to uncover a plot about some other evil aliens trying to destroy the world again.

I think there's a reason the alien DLC is (potentially) the last of them. It's just a one-off; something they decided to have a little bit of fun with. I kind of see it like an extended version of some of those ambiguous encounters in Fallout 1 and 2. To me, it's about the same as them doing a DLC that revolves around following Dr Who on an adventure in the TARDIS.

But more to the point - I prefer that the alien presence (what there has ever been of it,) remain at most mysterious and ambiguous.

Skynet is allegedly based on Alien technology. All three games included an alien blaster. Also note that it doesn't matter because FO3 is cannon, therefore, aliens are now cannon. Plus, there where more random encounters in FO1, where all of those also non-cannon? Just because aliens are as far fetched as Doctor Who, who is an alien, and Monty Python, doesn't necessarily make them (read. Aliens) non-cannon. It is, completely logical that they where minor cannon, or flavor canon, but not entirely non-cannon.

I thought skynet was just a reference to the Terminator movies?

I think that regardless of how you view the "canon" issue (which is really sort of irrelevant in an open-ended game anyway - my first character in Fallout 1 never found any alien spacecraft, and Tandi died in that game ...) that aliens were always at most an ambiguous and mysterious presence. Regardless of what might be "right," I prefer that it remains that way. Any sort of explanation of aliens is going to be anti-climactic anyway.

I don't care what people say about "oh, I saw this movie from 1950 and it had aliens in it so it has to fit the theme." I prefer that the series remain without them as a major presence in the game. Screw canon, I just don't like the thought of having a flying saucer as a drivable vehicle in Fallout 4, and running around with a wise-cracking alien buddy. (I know, that's never going to happen, either - but I still wouldn't like it if they did.)

The canonicity of the DLC is likely subjective, as most of the DLC is unnecessary filler content. Even Broken Steel isn't necessarily canon if you don't want it to be. None of the DLC really contributes anything to Fallout 3's main quest which is likely the only Fallout 3 content that will be taken into consideration in future sequels.

No, FO4 or any other future FO's should be centered around aliens of any kind. They should stay as a little easter egg you find out in the wasteland.

These games aren't about finding what's out in space, its all about surviving through a nuclear wasteland. Not finding ET and his little buddies, I find MZ more of a DLC joke really. Nothing more should come of MZ or aliens, that already isn't in motion. If Beth for some reason, made FO centered around aliens then FO would cease to be FO and would be an idiotic Alien game.

I presume if you're idea is true, if any DLC will be considered cannon, it would be Broken Steel.

As for this, it doesn't remove the Cannonicity of aliens, since Recon Craft Theta is in Vanilla FO3. French Vanilla DLCs are questionable, except for the location of the Pitt. Operation Anchorage was technically a non-Historical event, since it is stated that the whole thing is FAR from actual history. Point Lookout could be considered mostly canon, as the place does exist and likely didn't get bombed.

As for MZ, it could be considered cannon, but this doesn't mean aliens will ever be the center of the games. We KNOW the aliens are out there, but this entire DLC is like a side-quest, that has no real effect on the entire world, therefore, likely aliens will have no real involvement mainstream in the games weather it is cannon or not. They will NEVER make a game completely based on the aliens, unless it is a spin-off, so stop worrying.

Unfortunately, I get the feeling we'll be seeing aliens again somehow.

IMO the crashed recon craft was just an excuse to put a powerful and funny weapon in the game.

My point was that it probably won't be referenced in any future games, so it doesn't matter. Whether or not Mothership Zeta (or any of the DLC) is canon will likely be up to the player. It's an open ended video game series, after all.



True, but a player can call that an easter egg just like the easter eggs from Fallout 1 and 2. I personally consider everything official canon since I'm not all that picky, so I do consider aliens and the Fallout 1/2 easter eggs (as ridiculous as some are) canon. Regardless, I don't think it's a rule that you have to consider everything in the vanilla game canon. There's some folks who don't even consider Fallout 3 in its entirety canon.



The Pitt is mentioned by one of the Lyons' Pride members, so if you consider all content in the vanilla game canon then the existence of the Pitt is canon at least, if not the side quest from the DLC.



No, I doubt they will. Mothership Zeta is more like one of those goofy side quests that you'd find in Fallout 2.

I'm pretty sure Broken Steel will be mentioned in Fallout 4 considering one of the brotherhood says the Enclave 'won't hear about what happened at Adams for months'.

Makes sense, if the Enclave are in Fallout 4, that they bring that up.

Making the Enclave a primary factor in Fallout 4 would be beating a dead horse, in fact including them as the primary antagonist in Fallout 3 was already beating a dead horse. Bethesda is usually very vague in referencing previous games, so I wouldn't count on them going into detail about Fallout 3's events in Fallout 4 let alone referencing the DLC.

So do you think that the TARDIS, the Federation from Star Trek and the Holy Hand Grenade are canon parts of the Fallout setting?