The quote comes out of a Norwegian article from a Q&A. Todd Howard is quoted.

If it is true, we can expect the smallest of the major cities to be larger than the Imperial City. This is good news!

Not worth making a thread over. It's hardly new information and has already been discussed at full length...

Well, they've been calling the 5 major cities "massive" from day one so...yeah.

No, prior to this, the consensus was that each city was larger than the average city in Oblivion, but noone expected them to all be bigger than the Imperial City...

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1172047-bigger-townscities/page__st__20__p__17333797__fromsearch__1#entry17333797
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1174566-define-massive-cities/page__st__80 (scroll down to my post)

I dont really have anything to add to this (sorry...) but, I am really happy if this is true... Mostly because (as nearly everyone else has stated on countless other threads...) This will be awesome. I mean, just (hopefully) the shear size of a city, if at the very least it is the size of the imperial city... (and have everyone have jobs, [and maybe banks], and taverns, and I would assume larger major cities actually, from the trailer, but whatever...)

Well, the number of cities are 5 compared to Oblivion's 9 (including Kvatch) and yet the world map is about the same size as that of Oblivion. I would think it's rather self-evident that the Skyrim cities could be as large as twice the size of any Oblivion city, if not more. Maybe even 3-4 times larger if you include rural areas.

Check out the IGN trailer anolysis, they highlight a person and he looks microscopic in comparison to Markath.

Has anyone ever considered that, if the cities are larger than Oblivion's cities, and it's been confirmed that Skyrim and Oblivion's worlds are roughly the same size, then Skyrim will have less wilderness than Oblivion?

It might mean more quests will take place in cities, and there will be more out-of-the-way, hidden areas to discover within the city walls.

Have you seen no info on skyrim? (IE the map...)

Skyrim has four less cities than Oblivion. I'm guessing they'll take up the same collective amount of space.

It won't because of what I just said in my previous post. 5 cities in Skyrim compared to 9 in Oblivion. Edit: and it seems like Danger Dan beat me to it hehe. :rolleyes:

Wrong. Oblivion had five major cites too not 9. Skyrim has more than 9 cities total so your logic is flawed.

Keep in mind that the five major cities are within 5 holds out of 9. There will still be plenty of mountains/wilderness for the player to explore. BGS just needs to make sure there isn't too much pointless environment like Oblivion, although nothing is randomly generated so we should be fine.

Skyrim and Oblivion may be about the same size, but Skyrim is completely hand-crafted and has more quality content in it, making it feel bigger anyways.

But you do know, that even the non- major cities in SKyrim are pretty large.. (a few of them that is...) [Im pretty sure, I need to look at the map again...)

EDIT: Deleted, somebody just made this point... sorry!

What are you talking about? Anvil, Bravil, Bruma, Cheydinhal, Chorrol, Imperial City, Kvatch, Leyawiin, and Skingrad. Nine.

They're all roughly the same size besides the Imperial City.


Todd Howard has been quoted many times saying "skyrim will have five massive cities". These are the ones being discussed...

With skyrim which cities are the major ones...

Yea, that really shows off the sense of scale. Markath looks huge.

If there are 21 total settlements, which ones are the major ones, since they all look pretty large...

Not all of them have been confirmed yet. Solitude, Riften, Windhelm, Markarth, and one other. Either Dawnstar, Falkreath, or Whiterun. I think it may be the latter.

Whiterun has been confirmed through concept art. Not sure about Falkreath, but locationally it makes sense except that it would mean that Skyrim had 6 cities and not 5. Maybe one of them (Whiterun or Falkreath) is just a town, it would make sense.

5 huge cities, + (at least) 20 settlements with ten or more buildings. According to gameinformer.

In comparrision, the town Bruma in Oblivion has 23 buildings.

Well, since whiterun is pretty large (almost as large, or larger then windhelm...) Markarth is pretty small, so why would it be a city, if cities are as large/ larger then imperial city. SOlitude, dawnstar, faklreath, and riften are all about the same size, and windhelm is large then those four, but Im pretty sure that whiterun is larger then all of those (or around the same size as windhelm). And if not all of those are cities, then at least some will be towns, atleast whiterun, solitude, and windhelm (probably) will be cities. Maybe, riften and falkreath, but I dont really know, I say the first three because solitude is the impreial capital, and windhelm the rebel capital, and whiterun, will probably be story specific, or guild specific eventually, Im not sure...

What? Whiterun has not been confirmed to be one of the ''massive'' cities...


Yes, that's why I said the last one is either Dawnstar, Falkreath or Whiterun.


Markarth was already confirmed to be one. I know some will be towns. You're not reading my posts well enough. Dawnstar, Falkreath, and Whiterun could be massive cities. If they're not, what do you think that makes them? A town. :mellow: