Meh, covering an item in Talons is kinda stupid, its just a tag to keep from getting shot. They kinda went overboard on the tagging. Calling the R91 a G3 also made it lose points. But I liked the idea. I WISH I HAD A good PC!

I agree 100%. the ncr defetes them at navarro because they had alot of men Im guessing

The NCR was smaller back then, and with Tandi, weren't befuddled by Brahmin Barons and bueracracy(?), much more unified in strength.

Oh then maybe the ncr suicide bombed em!

Or they just soundly defeated them in a large battle where the NCR secured its right to live on.

Well i guess if you want to take the fun out of it

Ft Bannister is well positioned to Talon co. to operate throughout the Capital Wasteland. The surface facilities svck due to the place taking a direct hit, but there is plenty of room underground.

Enclave were not in FO1. Enclave in FO2 don't have large numbers. They have a few Vertibirds and most of their PA wearing troops were on the Oil Rig. Chosen One gets to the Oil Rig and blows it up. Killing almost all the Enclave in a nuclear blast. Some of the Enclave at Navarro go East to Raven Rock. Onces that stay behind fall to NCR. NCR has better fire power in FO2.

Much of the Enclave that stayed in the West gave up and tried to blend into NCR only to be hunted by BoS and NCR.

There are way to many Enclave in FO3. They went from a hand full of Vertibirds to unlimited and countless troops in only 30 or so years since the bulk of the Enclave were nuked.

Broken Steal adds a Orbital Weapon which one can't help but think "why did they not use this to kill Optimus Prime while he was attacking Project Purity or just destroy the BoS in the first place? Or not use it ot just blast DC?" Giant Land Crawler Base to add even more troops :down:

poor writing. The Enclave should have and could have easily won the Battle for DC given its numbers and tactical position during Fallout 3.

Agreed. With the troops and fire power they had even before Broken Steal was more then enough to take DC wasteland. After all the population is unorganised, under armed and not very well protected. Enclave did not even need their half baked knock-off of FO2s plan that needed the Lone Wanderer for it to be successful.

Like most things in FO3 they don't explain why they have such large numbers in only 30 years since their near extinction.

They probably didn't see Liberty Prime coming......and with Eden and Autumn fighting over control of the Enclave forces they couldn't react fast enough for it to matter. I suspect they wanted the Pentagon intact which is why they didn't nuke it.

Then why would the Pentagon even be targeted in the first place?

Enclave did not need orbital weapon, land crawlers or their modded FEV. They could have just killed eveything in the DC wasteland with good old fashioned plasma.

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Because... (Fallout 3 logic) because they are evil and evil is bad even if you are evil the evil evil so you evil cant evil ERROR evil ERROR Enclave is evil ERROR ERROR
They used the same logic on Talon Company.

Ruined two of the best factions in the game, my favorites of the whole series.

I would argue that Fallout 2 did something very similar with the Enclave. I thought it was just as big a plothole that a tribal was able to slip in a massive tanker unnoticed and press the preverbial red button on the Oil Rig. Should have been some option to join them there or at least let them carry out their plans as in Fallout 1 with the Master.

Needless to say the Enclave has not been treated very well.

A terrorist inflicts violence or threatens to do so in order to sow fear amongst a civilian populace at large. If anything, the Enclave are a more apt candidate for being terrorists than the Lone Wanderer... unless the LW is Evil, of course.

the problem with that was (and correct me if am I wrong here) is that the Enclave purposefully disabled the ship knowing that it could be a threat to the security of the oil rig (they should have recognized it). No ships were operating during that time (the Enclave had no navy) so I doubt they would have dismissed a ship docking where there hadn't been a ship docked since the Pacific fleet was disabled, as just "a big ship". Prehaps the plot-holes aren't as large as with the Enclave's destruction in Fallout 3, but they are still there.

enclave has technology and that makes them step up their own authority around the wasteland, i don't like their methods as mentioned above, still the mental status of the enclave of doing such things to the extremes makes them desperate to reach their goal, and its already a wasteland without any law.

I have no doubt they were like very surprised and confused to see it showing up. I don't see them sinking it or anything like that. They did disable it but seeing as how one of ther leaders has the Fob and the Control chip was removed not destroyed its possible they had future plans for it. When it showed up they could have thought someone back at Navarro go it working or one of the vagrants got it to work but did not know it was set to sail itself to the rig.

Like I said beforew the Tanker is huge. Always possible the Chosen One was able to hide/ blend into any Enclave sent to check the ship. With Advanced PA on they ignore you.

that's what I thought since they moved the tanker Fob to naravo and the navcom parts to vault 13 I ste if destoying the Peces

lol, the Enclave is not the US government, nor are they as benevolent as you make out.

It's a genocide and eugenics-loving, fascist paramilitary regime run by a bunch of deluded little boys (and one even more deluded supercomputer) who want to play world domination.

Ok then,who is the goverment then? Ever heard of COG? You should look it up.

yes they are there decendants of them

lol yes they are the U.S. government in the Fallout world.

Why is this so hard for people to accept? Its a virtually indisputable fact. Believe what you will about them, but they are the United States government in the fallout universe. Period.