So if Almalexia, Vivec and Sotha Sil are false gods, who's t

Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:27 pm

I always thought Almaxeia descended down into madness after the heart was destroyed. The way the game is suppose to be. I mean she didnt have any say of destroying Dagoth Ur and next thing she knows she is mortal. I think Vivec on the other hand had time to prepare himself back into mortality. Thats why he seemed so calm about the whole thing
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:57 pm

I always thought Almaxeia descended down into madness after the heart was destroyed. The way the game is suppose to be. I mean she didnt have any say of destroying Dagoth Ur and next thing she knows she is mortal. I think Vivec on the other hand had time to prepare himself back into mortality. Thats why he seemed so calm about the whole thing

I think almalexia went crazy when she killed her husband in her quest for godhood
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 10:00 am

Wait, what? Could you elaborate? I would really like to know who that is
Wulf He is an avatar of Tiber Septim.


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You can also meet an avatar of Zenithar going by the name Jon Hawker in Nammu Cave.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:14 pm

SPOILERS


You can also meet an avatar of Zenithar going by the name Jon Hawker in Nammu Cave.

And an avatar of Mara by the name of Ama Nin, who is found in the lower section of the stronghold Berandas.

so I've gotten to the point where it's said that Almalexia(Ayem), Vivec(Vehk), and Sotha Sil(Seht) are the three false gods. if those are the false gods, who are the real ones?

Azura, Boethia and Mephala, according to the history of the chimer. They taught the chimer to be different and under the prophet Veloth the chimer seperated from the aldmer and got to the land what is now called Morrowind and by that time it was called Resdayn. Read The Changed Ones for a while. Once the ashlanders and the settled house dunmer, as the ashlanders call them, were one nation and they all worhsipped the 3 daedra princes. After the war of the first council they were replaced by those self proclaimed gods who called themself the tribunal.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:13 pm

My limited understanding of the mythology goes something like this.

The Daedra = Greek Gods; neither good nor evil; petty, demanding of mortal favor; can be generous if you please them. Tend to be equated with demons, but more like djinni or middle eastern daemons than the traditional Christian counterpart. Most tend to put in at least a token appearance.

The Aedra/The Nine = Traditional fantasy deities; great, powerful, distant, but ultimately devoted to the good of the world. Unlike most fantasy games, they tend to not but in direct appearances, Akatosh being the primary exception in Oblivion and Skyrim.

The Tribunal = The Babylonian or Egyptian Gods; the God-Kings of myth and legend. They've taken power from their predessors and rule directly over mortals.

Lorkhan = a cross between Loki, Prometheus, and Jesus. Weird, and yet crazy awesome.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:07 am

You people should come over to the Lore section and find out new things.

Almalexia was driven crazy by the power of the heart, or by a Daedra Prince. Same goes for Sotha Sil.
Vivec is the most balanced of the bunch. He is not as merciful as Almalexia was supposed to be, but neither willingly reclusive as Sotha Sil was.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:27 pm

Vivec is the most balanced of the bunch.

Vivec was apparently more than a bit weird from the start. The Heart of Lorkhan might not have had as much effect, because Vivec already had to deal with his "dual nature", and may have been "used to" being a bit insane.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 4:08 pm

Vivec was apparently more than a bit weird from the start. The Heart of Lorkhan might not have had as much effect, because Vivec already had to deal with his "dual nature", and may have been "used to" being a bit insane.

He is weird, maybe was weird from the very start, but not in the insane way. Weird like sometimes artists are.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 4:57 pm

Vivec was apparently more than a bit weird from the start. The Heart of Lorkhan might not have had as much effect, because Vivec already had to deal with his "dual nature", and may have been "used to" being a bit insane.

Vivec appears weird because he is one of the few in Tamriel's history to have ever "stolen the Secret from the Tower". Lore buffs will get what I mean.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:33 am

I was under the impression that the visible signs of Almalexia's mental decline began when the ASV were first cut off from the Heart. Like a mortality crisis.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 10:39 am

I was under the impression that the visible signs of Almalexia's mental decline began when the ASV were first cut off from the Heart. Like a mortality crisis.

Nah, that was really just her starting to finally snap.

Remember, the Tribunal have been losing power for some time since Dagoth Ur made himself King of Red Mountain, keeping the Tribunal away from the Heart of Lorkhan, even though they were still "attached" to it. It wasn't until the Nerevarine severed the Tribunal from the Heart did she really start to go mental on everyone. Her decline started long before the game. Or at least, that's what I THOUGHT Vivec told me. :P
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:24 am

Actually, this is all interesting philosophy. If you were born mortal, but have the power of a god, are you a god? If you were born/made/existed for eternity as a god, but have the power of a mortal, are you a god?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 4:18 am

Actually, this is all interesting philosophy. If you were born mortal, but have the power of a god, are you a god? If you were born/made/existed for eternity as a god, but have the power of a mortal, are you a god?

Thats what I was thinking because at the start of the game arent they technicall real gods since they have the powsr and immortality weither or not where they get their power from because BC of their power and what they can do? Hell even the daedra will lose their powers in this realm when people quit worshipping them, that their only diffefent because their core is outaide of mundus?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:15 pm

Actually, this is all interesting philosophy. If you were born mortal, but have the power of a god, are you a god? If you were born/made/existed for eternity as a god, but have the power of a mortal, are you a god?

In the TES universe it is perfectly possible to start a mortal and end up a god.
There are several ways to reach heaven.
Vivec achieved CHIM, but before that the Triune re-wrote history so that they had always been the Dunmer patron gods.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:05 pm

It depends on your definition of 'god'. To some gods are the ancestors, to others beings of unlimited power and knowledge and/or immortal beings and so on. And if all these are gods, which is the greater type of god? Which one's greater, the more powerful or the more virtuous? I think the answer is this: you choose.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:14 pm

No no no, folks.
The only real god is YOU.
The player. All the others are just game characters.
But you have the Construction Set! :biggrin:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:50 am

No no no, folks.
The only real god is YOU.
The player. All the others are just game characters.
But you have the Construction Set! :biggrin:

Vivec has been to the provisional house as well.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 4:08 am

Vivec says: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/thirty-six-lessons-obscurity-and-deception

I though the 3 tribunals where considered Demi-Gods be cause they are mortal, but have Godly powers.?.?

Vivec is a true god, and wrote himself in history as that. He also is one of a select few to achieve CHIM, which the Is/Is Not realisation. To put it as simple as possible, you realise that you are everything, and everything is you, but retain your individuality and still see the "I" in the Wheel of Convention. Because of this, he seems completely insane, but everything he says is true.

Sotha Sil and Almalexia are gods, but not nearly as powerful as Vivec. They also never achieved CHIM. The Psijic Order, which Sotha Sil belonged to, opposed it. Almalexia was too brash, and would never accept something like CHIM. Vivec's mindset was most suited to it.

Depends on the culture and view. Many races believe that Anu (Stasis) and Padomay (Sithis) were the original creators. Then, for example, the land of Nirn was born when Lorkhan's heart was shot into the ocean. [img]http://www.gamesas.com/images/smilie/tongue.gif[/img] There are many gods if you wish to see it that way.

Anu is Stasis, the basis of mortals and aedra. Padomay is Change, the basis of the daedra. In between was the Grey Maybe of what could be, according to the Monomyth. Lorkhan either tried/convinced the Aedra to sacrifice themselves for the mortal world, and then the daedra refused and didn't sacrifice a part of themselves. This is why the Daedric Princes and Lesser Daedra are much more powerful and present than the Aedric gods and Lesser Aedra, since they made no sacrifice. Together, the Daedra and Aedra are the et'Ada which means Original Spirit.

In the TES universe it is perfectly possible to start a mortal and end up a god.
There are several ways to reach heaven.
Vivec achieved CHIM, but before that the Triune re-wrote history so that they had always been the Dunmer patron gods.

That is true. It's important to note, though, that you can become only a god, or achieve only CHIM. They are different states of being.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Nine Divines, Daedric Princes, Sithis, and few other Gods that I can't remember off the top of me head.

Btw, Dagoth Ur is the 4th False one you missed.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:31 pm

if those are the false gods, who are the real ones?

D/Aedric princes.
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