I'm sure you think you're making some point here, but unfortunately you failed.

Anyone who hated Oblivion will not like Skyrim. It really is as simple as that!

Hmm..

Cyrodiil - Skyrim

no dual wielding - Dual wielding

Old engine - new engine

old storyline - new storyline

old races - improvement to old races

Old game design - New game design.



hmm.....ok so tell em this, what if someone loved Morrowind, and hated Oblivion.....why would they hate Skyrim?

I understand where you are coming from. After the turd wrapped in tin foil that was Oblivion, I share some of the same skepticism. But, until I see more game-play footage, and have a chance for some one-on-one time with this beast, I have no idea if it will be too much like Oblivion for me or not.

I'd HOPE they have had enough time to find a good balance between Morrowind and Oblivion. But, I too won't get myself hyped up too much, because that's what I did when Oblivion came out, and it caused me to be let down.

Go ahead, be paranoid. I'm over here enjoying the ride, having fun, while you cower into a corner crying "I can't trust anyone!"


Skyrim will be an entirely new game. It's not going to be "Morrowind II: Into the West" or "Oblivion II: The Northern Province" It will have some influences from previous games, but that's where it ends.

One of my friends hated the hell out of Oblivion. Refused to even try out any of the expansions or player made mods to make it better.

Now, he's looking at all the info that we've been presented about Skyrim. So far, he's liking what he sees. He's not ultra hyped about it, but he said he's going to give Bethesda another chance as he's really liking what he sees.

He hated Oblivion. He likes Skyrim as of now.

I'm sure if this is the case for one, it's the case for others.

Can we all please stop making ridiculous assumptions like this?


I'm hoping the game will be good for you then, as most people who have this mentality that have been brought into the hype are ultimately disappointed in the long run.

And besides, why shouldn't he be able to form his own opinion?

Has any major info been released since the gameplay trailer? Specifically in May? Just curious, because I remember pete saying something about new info, but haven't seen any.

They wouldn't. You're not understanding my point.

Nobody who loved Morrowind truly hates Oblivion. They are simply being melodramatic and infantile. What they really mean is that they were disappointed, and they would say that if they could muster up the necessary level of maturity (or perhaps vocabulary in some cases).

Oblivion was not so different from Morrowind so as to warrant a love/hate variance. And Skyrim will once again provide a similar gaming experience to the previous titles.

I don't know... vanilla Oblivion was genuinely unplayable to me. I played through the main quest once, and the mages guild once. Put it down for well over a year, then started playing again when there was a sufficient amount of mods to tailor the game to be... better.

Not sure if it's quite the "hate" feeling, but there is no way in hell I'd go back to playing vanilla Oblivion.

Finally a sane voice. As I've said, Morrowind crusaders pretend that Morrowind exists on some higher plane of ultra-deep gameplay, which is ridiculous. For every gameplay or immersion point that was better in Morrowind, there's another that was better in Oblivion. It's a wash IMO.

I'm expecting Skyrim to be the best TES game, but not by a wide margin (one must also remember that the devs are deliberately bashing Oblivion now, in order to make Skyrim seem a bigger improvement than it is likely to be) - making some things better, others worse, modders making it fantastic.

If the game's a disappointment, so be it. There are way too many other great games out there to be spoiled by one dud.

And thank you for your sanity too. I've been trying to play Morrowind but every time I read a Morrowind fanatic who says there's nothing better than Morrowind when I LOVE Oblivion, I'm so turned off that I'm not getting into Morrowind at all. It's hard enough to go backwards technically after I've seen the future without that bias in my face all time. I *want* to learn the lore and experience the game for what it is, not for what I know it isn't. I'm very much looking forward to Skyrim too so I can see the progression technically and story-wise. Based on your post and the one you quoted, I'll load up Morrowind and try again, thanks.

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Why is a guy a fanatic if they prefer Morrowind over Oblivion?

Why is a guy somehow a lower life form if they Like oblivion more than morrowind?

why are opinions being used as labels to discredit a group and make divides on a FORUM? who gives a damn you you ennjoy something over the other or not...is that supposed to make you insane?

What changed? EVERYTHING! They started it fro mscratch with a new engine and stuff.

My thoughts:
If you hated Oblivion because you thought it was a step back from Morrowind, you will probably not like Skyrim.
If you hated Oblivion because it felt like the RPG elements were holding the action elements back, you will like Skyrim.

Of course, I could be wrong, but this is what I think.

Mcdonalds sells a lot of burgers but that doesn't make them high quality.The fact is a game has to be only so good to be hailed has "teh best game evar" by the general public.

The fact is Morrowind didn't have enough advertising and shinny bits that lit up like a toddlers toy to be as popular as Oblivion.

And the fact is reviewers feel more like advertisers today.They don't really delve into the games issues as well as high lights.They'll say "Oblivion has superior combat to Morrowind" but what they won't say
is that you're still just smacking something to death with your sword or spell and that it really isn't that different.And because of this why should anyone care what a reviewer says?

It had been a few years since I played Morrowind. So I loaded it up, installed some graphics mods and started a new game. As I was going along, I got a quest. I went to look at my world map for the location and low and behold, I had to find it myself. I had one of those "Oh yea, I need to think in this game" moments.

That is what I want from any game really.

I'm still wondering how the heck are you going to not like Skyrim if you didnt Like oblivion but liked Morrowind?


Are they not different games? didnt oblivion do things that morrowind didn't and vice versa? I don't get how that thinking works....thats like saying if you didnt like Morrowind you won't like Oblivion........and there are people that will say they didnt like morrowind but liked Oblivion...

if that were the case why would Beth make statements like "Oblivion sacrificed what made Morrowind special" (utter PR talk, as if its Oblivions fault) or that we're returning to what made Morrowind unique etc etc...

If you think people liked Morrowind only because they are fanatics or "resistant" to change then you do not understand why they liked Morrowind.


and If you think people who like Oblivion are some kind of abomination, then you do not understand why they liked Oblivion.


So what makes your thoughts about them correct?

It's all about having an open mind and being honest with yourself. As you said, playing the game for what it is. There are many interesting things in Morrowind, and lore-wise it's probably the finest of the bunch. But it also has several damning gameplay flaws, and the people who call for Skyrim to be Morrowind II are likely to be disappointed going in with that mindset, and deluding themselves of Morrowind's perfection. If Morrowind is perfect, there's always Morrowind for them to play. Personally, I'd much rather see Bethesda going forward, using the best features from the previous games and leaving the flaws on the "trash heap of history".

Cheers. :foodndrink:

This was my response to your question about the love/hate between Morrowind & Oblivion:

If you change the question to likes - then of course someone could have a preference for one...

I don't think the choice of words changes the context, people have there own reasons for hating/liking and pointing out whether or not they are being melodramatic doesn't alter their view points on the game, we're no one to say they can't hate one thing, and enjoy another :shrug:

meh

regardless...all 3 games are different, I don't see how not liking/hating one transitions into absolutes, and yes I do agree its more along the lines of being disappointed than anything.

My humble opinion on this is that someone is not a lower life form for liking what they like. Everyone *should* like what they like and it doesn't make them insane. So why do *some* people do what you're saying - as if I'm stupid for loving Oblivion? I see so much criticism from some corners about Oblivion that I'm wondering if they played the same game I did. But of course they did. It's just how different people experience and look at things. And we're all fanatics (a polite word) at a certain level, that's why we're here. I don't want to be rude and I don't want to be made to feel that I am less because I love Oblivion. It sometimes feels like an organized effort! The final thought on that is that *I* control how I feel and I'm going to ignore those comments...they aren't realistic and don't reflect how most people feel, if I can believe the occasional poll I see around here. I just want to play and have fun.

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Very wise. All flaws from *every* game should be on the trash heap of history. Thanks...I started Morrowind for the lore and I'll just keep that focus. I do want to have more of that in my head for Skyrim and I'm reading all the books I find again in Oblivion right now. There should be a class with a diploma for all this studying!

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I won't pretend that Morrowind was a perfect game, but what exactly were all these changes in Oblivion that made it so much better?

Even ignoring the fact that attributes, spells and skills were massively scaled back to make them easier to grasp, Oblivion removed too much freedom. The daily routine system gave some life to NPC's, but the compass would point you in the direction you needed to be going 100% of the time, so there was never any quests which involved learning the routine of an NPC or having to track them down on your own - the game would constantly show you where to go and what to do. Enemies scaled to your level, taking the danger away from exploring new areas and the reward of feeling more powerful. By the end of Morrowind you were literally powerful enough to kill Gods.. in Oblivion, even the bandits wore max armour. Random loot makes exploring caves pointless, because there are now rare or powerful artefacts to randomly find, like you could in Morrowind, this meant there's no reason to explore in caves or ruins.. because there's nothing in them. In Morrowind, fast travel could only be used realistically i.e. via boats or silt striders in towns and cities, this meant you had to explore new areas to progress - in Oblivion, you could constantly rely on teleporting to any location you've previously been, massively discouraging player exploration.. for any reason might have been left.

I didn't hate Oblivion, but it was a very disappointing game. I'm hoping that Skyrim learns from these mistakes and can go back to feeling like more of a role playing/adventure game.. rather than an on rails action one.

Don't Morrowind fanatics use the same disingenuous wordings? They'll say "Morrowind has more skills", but they won't say that several of those were severely broken or unbalanced. They'll say that "Dunmer had better voices", but they won't say that they only had a handful of lines. They'll say "Morrowind is more immersive", but they won't say that all NPC's are clones frozen in doorways. And on and on.

:shakehead: lets not start another Morrowind/Oblivion debate k? Morrowind was released 10 years ago what the hell do you expect for a game of its time and age? and Mods FIXED that. it didn't need cutting edge Graphics (which was at the time morrowind) physics and fluid combat to be a great game, all of those came with time for oblivion, its a given, its expected so tell me what did Oblivion have going for it, if the Graphics/Combat/Physics/Voice acting wasn't in the game, and Oblivion was made the same time as Morrowind, exactly like it is, without the Graphics/Combat/Physics and Voice acting.

I'd say the Side quests......thats pretty much all I can say.