fallout NV was made by obsidean not bethesda, they just used beth's game engine. but in all honesty im really not expecting that much more from skyrim than i did from oblivion, with the exception of a better crafting system and graphics i still thinkk its going to be an amazing game though

Understanding a desire to not spend $65 on a game to find it less than worth keeping due to bugs & freezes ( which are my main concern after FO3/NV on PS3) I would recommend renting on release. Get in as much play time as possible on the rental of Skyrim, then make a decision based on cold hard facts whether or not to purchase.
I'm damn glad I didn't buy NV, that's all I know. Renting gave me plenty of time to see it for the rushed money grab that it is.
If you're getting it on PC you really don't have anything to worry about, unlike console players who get [censored] on when it comes to updates from Bethesda/Zenimax.

Another sane voice! :foodndrink:

I'm actually going to agree with you on that one. Oblivion overall was a better game, but it wasn't as good of an RPG. Beth fixed a lot of the gameplay issues from Morrowind in Oblivion and made it more fun for (most) to play. However, they lost a lot of that TES magic that made Morrowind one of the greatest RPG's of all time. I think Beth knows that and is trying to continue working on the gameplay while trying to work on the world and make it more unique and immersive than Oblivion.

In the end though, it's all just a matter of opinion. I almost never buy into hype for any game. I wait until I can try it out for myself first and make my own opinion, which is why I try not to read reviews on games before I play them. However, I've been a TES fan for a long time, so I'm going to buy Skyrim regardless of it's flaws. It will have flaws; everything does, but how big or how numerous those flaws are is something we won't know until we get our hands on the game for ourselves.

I can't explain it any clearer than I already have. Bootysweat did a good job of summing it up in the post after yours - I refer you to that if you still don't get it

Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion all are of the TES series...each game is executed differently, if bob hates arena why would he hate-"/couldn't like Daggerfall? Morrowind? Oblivion? Skyrim? I think you guys are a little bit too focus on the word hate. Why would I dislike Morrowind for the same reasons I dislike oblivion when both are executed differently.


I mean even Todd says each installment they try to build from the ground up... and that is another statement Constantly touted here but in this instance it no longer applies?

Who are we to say a person won't like any other game because they dont like It's progeny? That said in your eyes it seems the op should just get off the TES forums ::

if he slightly dislikes Oblivion, sure, it is possible he might end up liking Skyrim

if he truly hates Oblivion, IMO he is probably not going to like Skyrim

I've never played Daggerfall or Arena, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't hate them. Might be hard to get into, since they are so much older, but I'm sure there will be some qualities I would like, qualities they share with Morrowind and Oblivion. From the youtube videos I've seen of Daggerfall, the world looks insanely huge, which sounds awesome.

The first time I played Morrowind, it also took some getting used to. The game is dated, and the interface is slightly clunky, etc., but after playing for a few hours, I really started getting into it. At its core, Morrowind shares some essential qualities with the Oblivion and the other open world, single player TES RPGs.

What's so confusing here exactly? Morrowind jihadists want Skyrim to be more Morrowind than Oblivion, which likely won't be the case.

Yes all TES games or rather well known games have the RPG bit in them but they are all executed differently and as I said Todd states each game was built from the ground up and are very distinct from each other., and yes I see you and jao are sticking with the hate word, despite jao himself saying those who use hate are being a bit strong in there words. Soo this entire exchange was pointless becuase you guys are focusing on hate :shrug: oh well.


None the less thanks for not being a blatant ass in your responses

This is a good option.



You are seriously discounting what real reviewers do for a living. Real reviewers are usually the harshest critics and avid gamers that have had more gaming experience than most normal people ever will. It is their career, after all....

You may also want to keep in mind that a "preview" for any game is going to be like advertising, but a post-release "review" can vary from praise to downright disgust with a game. Keep that in mind as you see what the media says BEFORE Skyrim comes out, and then even more so AFTER it's released.



Boo hoo. I could say the same thing about any number of games over the past 15 years. I could give you the pros and cons of a game before it even comes out.....and I'd be wrong. The game is about the experience YOU get from it, which you can only decide when you finally make the move to purchase it/play it seriously.

"Hype" will always be advertising. Most is right, and some is wrong. But it should never define how you think about a game. Play it and see.

@OP: Don't waste your time worrying. Take in the info and evaluate it. Then, stop and remember you still haven't had the chance to "experience" the game. So use your own judgment about the game info we're given before 11/11/11 to decide what is good and what is not so good. If you want to judge by reviews and scores, I strongly encourage it, as it can give you a good detailed look at a game's pros and cons after release, but before you buy. But in the end, it's up to you. Just don't take it upon yourself to worry about it so much.

The bold lettering doesn't make you look crazy or anything, btw..... :whistling:

I prefer to think of the latest installments as a sort of "gateway drug"

There will probably be some younger folks who never heard of Oblivion or Morrowind, but really get hooked on Skyrim.

Later on, out of curiosity they will probably try one of the older games that otherwise they would have never had any inclination to pick up.

At least that's what happened to me with Oblivion leading me to try Morrowind. In fact, now that I come to think of it, I probably would never even have heard of Oblivion if I hadn't been looking around on the tesnexus site for FO3 mods.

I don't think that's the case for most Morrowind > Oblivion people.

I think I can safely say most people want Bethesda to try to take the positives from both games and add to them.A game with a good story and world like Morrowind with more fluid/satisfying combat like in Oblivion would be awesome.

what do you mean Oblivion was a mess itj's the best game ever until Skyrim comes out. I think Skyrim's going to be even better though because it looks sick and there making it better by getting rid of all the numbers and stuff you don't need.

Well, there is a vocal group of Morrowind purists who seem to hate everything about Oblivion with a passion, and since Skyrim will likely be a further evolution of where the series is going rather than a remake of Morrowind, I think anticipating Skyrim with the mindset that nothing good came of Oblivion will likely lead to great disappointment.

I too hope that Skyrim will be the best of the earlier TES games mixed with new ideas. I try to keep an open mind about it.

True.With that mindset they're going to ruin Skyrim for themselves.Just ignore them and keep swimming : D.

lol I saw Morowind and it's not as good as Oblivion but Skyrim's going to be even better and totally epic.

Lol.Go to the Morrowind general discussion and say that.I'll buy you a copy of Skyrim if you make it out alive.

I don't want to start a fight it's just what I think lol. Morowind still has a section? but it's so old. The Fallout3 section is really slow the Morowind one must be like two people lol.

Yeah, but it's not dumbed down like the Oblivion section where everyone can post successfully. In the Morrowind section, posting may fail after a die roll against your computer skill. Tr00 RPG.

I don't get it what happened in the Oblivion section I'm new so I don't know lol.

It's full of them imbecile Oblivion fans.

Just drink the cool-aid.

HEY OBLIvion's my favorite game I'm not an imbecile your being a [censored].

Oblivions like the best game ever or maybe one of them why wouldn't you like it or maybe you should go to a different forum like for my little pony or something lol.

I'm just joking, dude. Read my other posts. Oblivion rules. :rock: