I think that the people in the Pitt and the Ghouls would disagree.

I didn't say they were bad, now did I? But they weren't all on the same page by any stretch, it was just Lyons' force of will that bent that sub-sect of the BoS to helping others in DC. Other elements of the BoS in the DC area behaved more like the NV bunch. The reason Lyons' bunch is redeemable, is the reason the rest of the BoS is not.... he rejected their primary tenets, and converted from being an anti-humanity tech-hoarding fanatic into someone who actually helped other people.

One thing about the BoS that I could never figure out is, what exactly do they intend to accomplish, long-term? What is their endgame plan? They galavant all over the wastes, collecting all the information and examples of pre-war tech (primarily weapons tech) they can find, so they can... um... what? Keep it away from everyone else and become the only truly powerful group on the planet? Do they envision themselves as eventually becoming the (benevolent?) overlords of the world, parcelling out what bits of non-military tech they choose to the savages, in order to bring the rest of humanity (that they haven't given a festering crap about for hundreds of years) up to their anointed level? Or do they just expect to sit on it all and buff their nails while whatever remains of society lives or dies on its own? Their whole premise and reason for existence is just ridiculous and incredibly childish and selfish, when it comes right down to it.

is war ladys and gentlemen everybody is out for themselves

the legion takes slaves and loot whatever they can

the ncr is out for it's citizens

the brotherhood is out for themselves

the wasteland came to the ppl , they just deal with it in they're own way , u alone can choose wich way u want to do the "looting"

I do not like the Brotherhood of Steel, they're nothing but glorified raiders. The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel on the other hand them I do like, they actually help people instead of shooting them in the face because they have a Laser Rifle.

The Brotherhood never had long-term goals. All the way back they've just been technology-hoarding isolationists who've helped a grand total of four exceptional individuals over the course of 200 years to obtain a slight mathematical advantage over their enemies while using them for leg work. Only Lyons has any idea at all what the future of the organization will look like. The rest of them are idiots blindly running into a firing squad because of brainwashing from their parents.

Very true. But "it's just war and the brotherhood is just out for themselves like everybody else" doesn't at all jibe with how they try to come across, as if they're doing something great for humanity, doing everyone else some kind of great 'favor' with their efforts. When, in reality, they are just out for themselves and no better than any raiders or Legion, when it comes right down to it.

They could've been so much more if they had learned to adapt. Even by Fallout 2 you were seeing warning signs. Bunkers all over the wasteland, and they still act all mysterious and loopy, only helping you (the Chosen One) after you go on a practical suicide mission to infiltrate a military base and steal technology that /they/ want.

Worse even than the Legion - whom it can be said at least have a purpose - they are an entirely military society of soldiers and people who repair and upgrade their stuff; they aren't anything other than overly complex raiders.

The initial idea they had was to keep the toys that wiped out humanity in the first place from every being used again. Bioweapons, Chemical Warfare, Nukes, Orbital Weapons Platforms, Power Armor, that kind of stuff.

Then they lost their way. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I really think they need to join up with the Followers. The two working together could rebuild humanity, and keep it safe from the terrors of the wastes. Seperate, the BoS accomplishes squat, and the Followers only make minor progress because they don't fight.

Adapt or Die. That's the law of Nature. The Brotherhood refuses to adapt, so they must die. There is no third option.

And since their death throes are harming others, they need to be helped along.

I butchered their entire populace with my Chopper aka .45 smg (okay i had to use some 45-70 Gov't on the paladins) then blew up the bunker after the fact. I had veronica wait outside. She abandoned me and was shot six times in the back by a light in the shining darkness.

Also since i promised Boone I'd quit Cesar hes been quit content slaughtering the various NCR groups we see.

The mw bos are out to help to. If I remember correctly they
give protection in exchange for supplys and reqruits

Technically you still can if you are on good terms with Arcade Gannon, during his quest you are taught how to use Power Armour.


On Topic: I absolutely loved the BoS in FO3. The whole protecting Wastelanders even though they thought they were technologically backwards and lost causes (Outcast BoS is a prime example) thing made me glad I was helping them.

The Mojave chapter ON THE OTHER HAND leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth and I usually end up killing them off. Then proceed to loot the place and initiate the self-destruct sequence to add insult to injury.

I've thought the exact same thing about the FoA and BoS joining up together. It's a perfect match that helps both parties. Followers are basically Scribes, anyway. I can imagine a future Brotherhood of Apocalypse with Followers filling the role of Scribes.

Yup, the Brotherhood of the Apocalypse (or the Followers of Steel) would probably be the best thing to happen to the wasteland since This Machine


...lol,anyways, what I'm saying is the CW BoS are one of the best groups ever, and a BoA or FoS would be even better (if they truly incorporated the Follower's ways)

Yeah, I know what you mean OP.

Like the other day I was simply just chillin', maxing and relaxing all cool and then one of those Brotherhood [censored] came up to me and was all like "Hand over that laser rifle, [censored]". So I handed it over to him just to make think I'm scared. And then I pull my 11mm submachine gun POP him right in the eye slot of his helmet... D.O.A.

From the way NCR talks I think they pretty much won the war.

The Pitt needed cleaned up. I never saw them shot a ghoul. A ghoul said they shot ghouls, but why don t they shoot her? They are like 50 yards away.

Hey maybe they thought they saw a feral. lol Like the Enclave logs. lol

But how many slaves do the bos have? How many towns did they slaughter in nv that is canon? I ve never seen them shoot anyone in the face over a laser rifle. How many people do they ask you to kill for them in nv if you leave them how they are when you fing them?
How many women do they use as six slaves?

True bos are tards, but please don t compare them to those backward scrubs cl.

True, they aren't as primitive and overtly aggressive as the Legion, and are definitely not as big a threat to your average wastelander (as long as you don't wander near their hideout). It's more the attitude that grates on the sensibilities.... as if Superman or Batman had stopped fighting crime, bathing, or going out much, and just randomly went out and robbed National Guard armories when they felt like it.

Wasn't the BoS's call, just because the outcome might have been good doesn't justify the way it was done; kind of like the "Ends justify the means" except everyone says that's a bad thing in relation to the Enclave. So? Unless your saying that she is lying then the Brotherhood still engage ghouls for absolutely zero reason.

Also, just because they are raiders don't is necassarly a bad thing, they just aren't 'doing anyone else a favour' by keeping all of the high-tech loot locked up anymore. They have an entirely military based society - with even non-Paladins essentionally just upgrading and repairing the Paladins gear - and little, if any, long term goals and whilst I for one find something admirable in their non-comprimising attitude it's not doing them any favours at this point.

I feel that Lyons is a sign of progress, look at his chapter, despite the troubles they go through, they still survive, and why? Because they realized they needed to adapt to the changing times and environment, and they still hunt tech, but it's a secondary concern. The Mojave chapter is stuck in it's old ways, it may be strong, but it refuses to make compromises, to change it's ideals. Per natural selection, they must die off.

As to the BoS/NCR war, I'd imagine the war was due to how to divide and use their spoils of war with the Enclave. Plasma tech, Vertibirds, Adv Power Armors, et cetera. The BoS, being the self entitled children they are, were likely angry when NCR wanted to keep some of it. (I can only imagine Enclave being unhappy at the thought of 'lesser people' using his favorite factions tech :laugh:)

Yep. They are too few, the world is too big, and the other powers in that world have outgrown the BoS's ability to influence them much. They aren't a growth faction... instead, they dwindle, even further reducing their ability to control the world's technology acquisition and use. Barring the self-implosion of all the other more powerful factions on earth, I don't see them doing anything but dwindling away to nothing eventually.

Yes, I can see the DC chapter flourishing, with the eventual recruitment and inclusion of 'outsiders' from their protected area, bringing in fresh blood and more practical/realistic thoughts and ideas. And with the fresh water and order and improvement of the lives of all humans (and friendly ghouls, mutants) in the area, I can see the BoS there morphing into a true governing order based more on compassion than fascism (Enclave) and leading to the possibility of a real and decent civilization rising from those ashes. But it wouldn't be the BoS anymore then- it would be something much better.

I like the Brotherhood back east and the brotherhood back west too, I like Lyon's brotherhood of steel and I also like the Outcasts.

The Brotherhood are trying to survive/protect themselves against humanity's unending thirst for war. They have no interest in conquest, unlike the NCR and Legion, conquest is their only goals and they will step over anyone and anything to achieve that goal.

I'm more on the Lyon's side of things. It's like you know, you don't have to just collect technology, you can protect yourselves and in the process protect the capital wasteland locals from the Enclave and Super Mutant hordes.

Something about their way of working obviously works, because they can hold their own against just about anything that threatens them.