Alternative Start (mod) and CTDs : IV

» Fri May 13, 2011 10:31 am

Okay, so I have two problems here with varying levels of severity.

I have recently gone through doing some med-heavy modding of Oblivion, previously I was rather vanilla with just a couple small mods/tweaks. I have FCOM (with MMM/OOO/OWC/Fran), OMOBS, Better Cities (all), COBL, All Natural, Armamentarium Complete, RBP, Better Redguards, etc installed (I'll provide a list below for more details). I have BAINed the heck out of my install and everything was fine at first, started a new game (copied and deleted all my old saves out) several times to test things, and it looked like things went smoothly more or less.

I should probably state now that, before activating Let there be Darkness (and More Darkness) my vanilla install (ie QTP3 and such installed, mods installed but NOT active), everything was much darker than Vanilla should have been. We're talking need a torch to see in my cell, and the wall torch in it didn't provide much light at all. I'll provide a list of the archives in my Bash Installers folder so someone might be able to tell me why this occurred.

Moving on I went through the usual process of adding a few mods at a time, loading, saving, rinsing, repeating. I decided that I didn't want to go through the prison level so I installed a few different Alt Start mods. I say a few different because they all caused CTDs, but not right away. I tried the awesome http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11495, setup my character, went to sleep to start things, and after it loaded it CTDed. I DLed a few more, cause obviously there was something conflicting and I hoped to avoid looking for the cause and thought maybe it was just that one. I moved on to http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3016, http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=oblivionmods.detail&id=822, and finally http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1979. Every single time I got to a first loading screen it CTDed. Now I figure there's a problem whenever I try to skip the Tutorial, which makes zero sense to me as nothing I have installed should mess with that or care about it. So I went back to the first Alt Start and tried it without only RBP and and things went smoothly. So I started a new game, made my char, went to sleep, and woke up at IC's Waterfront with no problems. I saved and started to add mods slowly, doing FCOM first and then COBL and the like not worrying about beautification mods, just the nitty gritty stuff. Loaded up good, no errors so I went into the Temple District and loaded it then saved and went back into the Waterfront.... CTD after loading screen. I made a new game with only the Alt Start and RBP and Better Redguards, saved, exited, loaded, entered Temple Dist, left Temple Dist, went back in, repeated several times with no CTDs. Saved while in Temple Dist, added basic mods, loaded save, left Dist and CTD.

Any clue why a simple Alt Start mod is totally screwing up my game?
I would love to be able to skip the tutorial, but at the same time I really need to fix the Prison/Subterrane/Sewers (and I bet all dungeons) from being so dang dark without having messed with anything (from what I know).

Also, I just remembered that I was trying to use All Natural - Real Lights.esp and for some reason when I activate it and start a new game or load a save from the Prison cell, the torch in that cell is not lit. Odd, eh?

Please help, bash/boss and archive lists below. If anything else is needed, I am happy to provide it (with some help doing so, if needed, of course).

Bash:

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Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
09 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0A Better Cities Resources.esm
0B Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
0C UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0D Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
10 Better Cities .esp
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
16 Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
** All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - Atmospheric Weather System.esp [Version Final]
18 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
19 WindowLightingSystem.esp
1A RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
1B RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
1C RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
1D Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
** FineWeapons.esp
** RustyItems.esp
1E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
1F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
20 FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
21 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
22 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
23 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
24 FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
25 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
26 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
27 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
28 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
29 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
2A FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
2B FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2C FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2D FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2E FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
2F Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
30 Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
31 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
32 FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3D TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
3E TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
3F TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp
40 FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
41 FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 1.0]
42 FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp [Version 2]
43 FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp [Version 2]
44 FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
46 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
48 ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
49 ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
4A OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
4B GlenvarCastle.esp
4C LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
4D VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
4E za_bankmod.esp
4F Knights.esp
50 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
51 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
52 Better Cities - House price patch.esp [Version 1.0]
53 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
54 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
55 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
56 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
57 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
58 SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
59 SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
5A SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
5B SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
5C SM_VanillaSpells.esp [Version 0.86]
5D SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
5E SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
5F SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
60 RealisticLeveling.esp
61 Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
62 Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
63 Better Redguard v2.esp
64 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
65 bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]
66 bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
67 bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
68 bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
69 bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
6A bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
6B Better Cities - Skingrad City Defences.esp
6C Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp
6D Better Cities - Bravil City Defences.esp
6E Better Cities BRAVIL.esp
6F Better Cities - Anvil City Defences.esp
70 Better Cities ANVIL.esp
71 Better Cities - Chorrol City Defences.esp
72 Better Cities CHORROL.esp
73 Better Cities - Cheydinhal City Defences.esp
** Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp
74 Better Cities - Leyawiin City Defences.esp
** Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp
** Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
75 Better Cities - Bruma City Defences.esp
** Better Cities BRUMA.esp
** Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp
76 Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp
77 Better Cities IC Arena.esp
78 Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp
79 Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp
7A Better Cities IC Market.esp
7B Better Cities IC Prison.esp
7C Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp
7D Better Cities IC Temple.esp
7E Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp
7F Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
80 Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
** Real Lava 1.3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp
81 Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
82 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
83 FormID Finder4.esp
84 kuerteeActorDetails.esp
85 Streamline 3.1.esp
86 PureSteelBlade.esp
87 bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla Better Redguards.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]

BOSS log:

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Master .ESM date: Thu May 11 03:11:00 2006
FCOM detected.
OOO detected.

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Recognised and re-ordered mod files:
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Oblivion.esm
. Note: Masterlist Information: $Revision: 755 $, $Date: 2010-03-24 09:30:30 -0700 (Wed, 24 Mar 2010) $, $LastChangedBy: pacificmorrowind $

All Natural Base.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent, Delev, Relev, Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, Stats}}

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Cobl Main.esm
. Note: Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

TamrielTravellers.esm

FCOM_Convergence.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}

Armamentarium.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Note: Recommend installing UOP hotfix for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's or FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Better Cities .esp
. Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev, Relev}}

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

All Natural - Real Lights.esp
. Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.

All Natural.esp
. Note: Required for All Natural.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Climate}}

All Natural - SI.esp
. Note: Required for All Natural SI support.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Climate}}

All Natural - Atmospheric Weather System.esp
. Note: Only use one All Natural weather plugin.

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

WindowLightingSystem.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Enhanced Economy.esp
. Note: Replaces Living Economy plugin

FineWeapons.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

RustyItems.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

Cobl Glue.esp
. Note: Make sure to install the FCOM patch 'FCOM_Cobl.esp'.

Cobl Si.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

FCOM_Cobl.esp
. Requires: 'Cobl Glue.esp' and 'OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp'.
. Note: Do not use COBL and Tamerielic Ingredients at the same time.

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
. Requires: 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp'.

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
. Requires: 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

Loth's Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp
. Requires: 'FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp'.

FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
. Requires: 'Loths Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp'.

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,Delev,Graphics,Invent,Relev,Stats}}
. Requires: either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp'.

FCOM_WarCry.esp
. Note: Use either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp', not both.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

OMOBS.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Stats}}

OMOBS_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Stats}}

OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp

FCOM_RealSwords.esp

FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp

FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp
. Note: Use only one: Reduced, SlightlyReduced or Stronger.

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
. Note: Use either 'More Wilderness Life' or 'More Wilderness Life No Gates' but not both.

Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp

FCOM_NoSpiders.esp

FCOM_NoWyverns.esp

FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp
. Note: Use either 'NoReaversInGates' or 'LessReaversInGates' but not both, for obvious reason.

FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
. Note: Not compatible with Slof's Horses or Slof's Extra Horses.

TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
. Requires: 'FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp'.

TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Filter,Delev,Relev}} and deactivate.

TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
. Requires: COBL.

TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NoMerge,Graphics}} and deactivate.

FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp
. Requires: 'TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp'

FCOM_Archery.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Stats}}

FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp
. Requires: the Armamentarium Complete mod.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Stats}}

FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp
. Requires: 'FCOM_Realswords.esp'.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Stats}}

FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relations}}

FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp

FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp

ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp

OOO-WaterFish.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

za_bankmod.esp
. Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC.

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}

FCOM_Knights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Relev}}
. Requires: DLC 'Knights.esp'.

Better Cities - House price patch.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relations}}

Alternate Start Revamped.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names,Graphics}}

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_OOO.esp

SM_MMM.esp

SM_COBL.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_VanillaSpells.ESP

SM_UnlockSpells.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

SM_SigilStone.esp

RealisticLeveling.esp

Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Body-M,Body-F,R.Relations}} make sure to merge into the bashed patch and deactivate.

Better Redguard v2.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Graphics}} make sure to merge into the bashed patch and deactivate.

bgBalancingEVCore.esp
. Requires: bgBalancingNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp is required if Shivering Isles not installed.

bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp

bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp

bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp

bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp

bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
. Requires: Better Redguards installed with its ESP deactivated.

bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp

Better Cities - Skingrad City Defences.esp

Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp

Better Cities - Bravil City Defences.esp

Better Cities BRAVIL.esp

Better Cities - Anvil City Defences.esp

Better Cities ANVIL.esp

Better Cities - Chorrol City Defences.esp

Better Cities CHORROL.esp

Better Cities - Cheydinhal City Defences.esp

Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp

Better Cities - Leyawiin City Defences.esp

Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

Better Cities - Bruma City Defences.esp

Better Cities BRUMA.esp

Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp

Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp

Better Cities IC Arena.esp

Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp

Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp

Better Cities IC Market.esp

Better Cities IC Prison.esp

Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp

Better Cities IC Temple.esp

Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate.

All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Filter,C.Climate}}
. Note: Do not activate. Must be merged into Bashed Patch using Import Cells.

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

FormID Finder4.esp

KuerteeActorDetails.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

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Unrecognised mod files:
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Unknown mod file: PureSteelBlade.esp
Unknown mod file: bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla Better Redguards.esp

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Archives:

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002 - Streamline_v31.7z (6762CF2D)
003 - Enhanced_Economy_3_4_3-25078.rar (330199A5)
004 - RealisticLeveling-1_13-13879.7z (C3F66A1F)
005 - OMOBS1_0-28537.7z (EB1E2FED)
006 - Supreme_magicka_0-89b-12466.zip (0F6D0BE7)
007 - Tamriel_Travellers_Horse_Textures-16407.7z (7A376E4E)
008 - TamrielTravellers139c_-__Even_more_Omod_script_Fixes-4387.7z (3B7FC23F)
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012 - Let_the_People_Drink_v25.7z (6AED979E)
013 - Vaults_of_Cyrodiil-9357.rar (C5C0CB13)
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021 - Knights.7z (3A72700F)
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023 - Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch_v3_2_0_Manual_Version-5296.7z (BCBA7B56)
024 - Unofficial_Official_Mods_Patch_v15_Manual_Version-9969.7z (59895567)
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029 - Fran_45b.7z (E2BFEACC)
030 - Frans_Optional_Leveled_Quests-SI_Only-17621.rar (44B46A86)
031 - FranDarkSeducerWeaponsPatch.rar (39CA83B1)
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037 - FCOM_Convergence_b99.7z (CB6C8694)
038 - FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.7z (7EB6028A)
039 - FCOM_Ghost_Sound_Fix.zip (AA3A44AA)
040 - FCOM_Archery_for_Armamentarium_Complete.rar (31B90B06)
041 - FCOM_Archery_v100.rar (22854A5E)
042 - FCOM_Archery_for_FCOM_RealSwords.rar (32A3789A)
043 - ufcom.7z (62B956CB)
044 - All_Natural_v099.7z (0D95F197)
045 - All_Natural_v099_Fix_Pack_v2.7z (935D86D2)
046 - Natural_Environments.7z (6F7C2A7F)
047 - Better_Cities_4-5-1-16513.7z (5A60F778)
048 - Better_Cities_Resources_4-5-1-16513.7z (A3FC3879)
049 - Animated_Window_Lighting_System_-_Meshes_v5-1-8-19628.7z (4BEAB92C)
050 - AWLS_-_Brumbek_Mixed_Textures_v5-1-2-19628.7z (0D97C8A1)
051 - Let_There_Be_Darkness_v12.7z (81308B01)
052 - Let_There_Be_More_Darkness.7z (540094FC)
053 - RAEVWD_v17.7z (C0E54CCD)
054 - RAEVWD_SI_v17.7z (1A70F42C)
055 - Better_Nightsky_v12.7z (946B8980)
056 - Coloured_Enemy_Health.rar (FEC093E2)
057 - FineWeapons-7317.rar (07CD4CE6)
058 - Real_Lava_1_3-6854.zip (A6E09306)
059 - Real_Night_Sky_2-16617.zip (0281F4A9)
060 - RustyItems.rar (057208F2)
061 - Vanilla_Hair_Replacer.7z (F0F70596)
062 - Harvest_Flora_v301.7z (38D1E8B0)
063 - Visually_Enchanted_Customizer_Fixed-8490.7z (557372E1)
064 - Visually_Enchanted_SoulTrap_Fixed-8490.zip (386B3996)
065 - LowPoly_Grass_for_SI-5434.zip (2B8D5B3F)
066 - Quiet_Feet_MAX_2_0-12331.zip (A5EAAF5A)
067 - Original_Music.7z (A2968FB1)
068 - Original_Shaders.7z (97CFE133)
069 - Better_Redguards_v2_1-10753.rar (84C52A7C)
070 - Race Balancing Project 10,5 EV.7z (85D5F867)
071 - Race Balancing Project 10,5 - Installation Files Complete.7z (FD601B18)
072 - Optimized_OOO_133_Meshes-23202.rar (B9CE0556)
073 - Imperial_Helmet_Fix-23202.rar (B736E644)
074 - OptimizedOOO133b345Meshes-24511.7z (FE2EEE99)
075 - ==Last==
076 - QuickChar-1979.rar (41F1DF83)
077 - Elven_Map_Redux_3002.7z (9895E18B)

» Fri May 13, 2011 2:57 pm

Which BC components are you not using, there are so many of them I cannot tell which are missing (if any.) You really could not use the FULL version? Also, your load order is incorrect and you have plugins that should be deactivated because they are merged into the bashed patch. (Mergeable plugins are distinguished with green text in Wrye Bash.) Run BOSS on that load order again. Update BOSS. I am pretty sure those plugins are already in the current masterlist. I use the Pure Steel Blade mod, but I will check right now to be sure.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:09 pm

That is a fresh load order from BOSS, generated so I could post it.
As for BC, I use the Full one, I just use the separate esps so I can deactivate any that I do not want/like if I have issues of any kind. I should be using all of them, I know that I use all the city ones, but probably not all the optional files if that's what you mean.

For the plugins I shoudn't use because they are merged into the Bashed Patch: I see on Wrye Bash that when I mouseover some they say 'Imported into Bashed Patch' (and have a dot in the green box) or 'Merged into Bashed Patch' (and have a plus in the green box), these coordinate with the ** (Imported) and ++ (Merged) in that Bash list I posted. As far as I know, I haven't activated anything that is merged into the Bashed Patch, I thought it looked like Bash was taking care of that for me, hence the dots and pluses.

And I might as well ask it now: Should I merge plugins into the Bashed Patch whenever possible? Right now the only thing that I have selected under the 'Merged Patches' list (in Rebuild Patch...') is All Natural - Atmospheric Weather System because AN said to do that. Should I select everything else and Merge them in? I didn't know if it was a big deal to do this or not.

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:04 pm

That is a fresh load order from BOSS, generated so I could post it.
As for BC, I use the Full one, I just use the separate esps so I can deactivate any that I do not want/like if I have issues of any kind. I should be using all of them, I know that I use all the city ones, but probably not all the optional files if that's what you mean.

For the plugins I shoudn't use because they are merged into the Bashed Patch: I see on Wrye Bash that when I mouseover some they say 'Imported into Bashed Patch' (and have a dot in the green box) or 'Merged into Bashed Patch' (and have a plus in the green box), these coordinate with the ** (Imported) and ++ (Merged) in that Bash list I posted. As far as I know, I haven't activated anything that is merged into the Bashed Patch, I thought it looked like Bash was taking care of that for me, hence the dots and pluses.

And I might as well ask it now: Should I merge plugins into the Bashed Patch whenever possible? Right now the only thing that I have selected under the 'Merged Patches' list (in Rebuild Patch...') is All Natural - Atmospheric Weather System because AN said to do that. Should I select everything else and Merge them in? I didn't know if it was a big deal to do this or not.

If there not selected when you build the Patch.......there NOT selected to be included. so there not.
So yes you would have to first select them to have them included. When you click a box to include it . Think Hey i just put that IN my Patch.

Also...note to Tomlong..cant remember the OOO removals..IE:remove tag for Factions and Relations??Scripts??<<

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:41 am

I checked for those unrecognized plugins in the BOSS masterlist, and they are not there. I am posting about them now, so do not worry about them too much. However, you should move the "PureSteelBlade.esp" up with the rest of the new item mods. It does not have conflicts that I am aware of, so you can just stick it in that section in alphabetical order. Move the RBP optional module up with the other RBP plugins. You should probably load it right after the main plugin(s).

Edit: Use this bashed patch page as a guide: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/prep/wrye-bash/bashedpatch. "Safe" means you can check all plugins in that section.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:20 pm

Generally speaking, yes, merge what Bash will allow you to merge. The exception being if the mod's readme directs otherwise. Ideally mods that shouldn't be merged would also be tagged NoMerge, but that isn't always the case.

» Fri May 13, 2011 12:58 pm

That bashed patch page (linked in my earlier post) has the relevant OOO comments, no worries.

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:56 am

Alright, sounds good. I will make those changes and see what happens.

Well, everything looked good. I got into the Waterfront Tunnel (which tripped me out cause I didn't know about that from BC haha) and I went to Market Dist, saved, reloaded, all was good. Then I left the Market Dist through the main gate and CTDed ><
So I reloaded the original save and tried it again. Went in and out of the tunnel, saved outside. Loaded up, went in and out, fast travelled to IC main gates, went out of IC, walked down to beginning of bridge and stood there and looked around at sky landscape and then sky and turned around, CTD

Here's my new load order, too

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
09 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0A Better Cities Resources.esm
0B Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
0C UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0D Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
10 Better Cities .esp
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
16 Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
** All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - Atmospheric Weather System.esp [Version Final]
18 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
19 WindowLightingSystem.esp
1A RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
1B RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
1C RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
1D Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
** FineWeapons.esp
** RustyItems.esp
1E PureSteelBlade.esp
1F Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
20 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
21 FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
22 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
23 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
24 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
25 FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
26 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
27 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
28 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
29 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
2A FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
2B FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
2C FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2D FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2E FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2F FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
30 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
31 Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
32 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
3D Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3E TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
3F TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
40 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp
41 FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 1.0]
43 FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp [Version 2]
44 FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp [Version 2]
45 FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
46 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
47 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
49 ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
4A ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
4B OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
4C GlenvarCastle.esp
4D LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
4E VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
4F za_bankmod.esp
50 Knights.esp
51 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
52 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
53 Better Cities - House price patch.esp [Version 1.0]
54 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
55 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
56 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
57 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
58 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
59 SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
5A SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
5B SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
5C SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
5D SM_VanillaSpells.esp [Version 0.86]
5E SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
5F SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
60 SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
61 RealisticLeveling.esp
62 Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
63 Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
64 Better Redguard v2.esp
65 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
66 bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla Better Redguards.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
67 bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]
68 bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
69 bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
6A bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
6B bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
6C bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
6D Better Cities - Skingrad City Defences.esp
6E Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp
6F Better Cities - Bravil City Defences.esp
70 Better Cities BRAVIL.esp
71 Better Cities - Anvil City Defences.esp
72 Better Cities ANVIL.esp
73 Better Cities - Chorrol City Defences.esp
74 Better Cities CHORROL.esp
75 Better Cities - Cheydinhal City Defences.esp
** Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp
76 Better Cities - Leyawiin City Defences.esp
** Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp
** Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
77 Better Cities - Bruma City Defences.esp
** Better Cities BRUMA.esp
** Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp
78 Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp
79 Better Cities IC Arena.esp
7A Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp
7B Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp
7C Better Cities IC Market.esp
7D Better Cities IC Prison.esp
7E Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp
7F Better Cities IC Temple.esp
80 Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp
81 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
82 Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
** Real Lava 1.3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp
** Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp
83 Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
84 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
85 FormID Finder4.esp
86 kuerteeActorDetails.esp
87 Streamline 3.1.esp

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:10 pm

Ouch. That could be anything from a bad mesh to a dirty plugin. However, try installing the FULL version of Better Cities first. Do you even have the latest version installed?

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:01 pm

Ouch. That could be anything from a bad mesh to a dirty plugin. However, try installing the FULL version of Better Cities first. Do you even have the latest version installed?

Yep, DLed it within the past couple of weeks. This week even, I think.

Uninstalled BC, reinstalled with Unified plugins, activated, rebuilt Bashed Patch, ran BOSS.
Loaded my save and decided to go take a dive into the lake, swam a bit and suddenly CTD :/

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:27 am

Yep, DLed it within the past couple of weeks. This week even, I think.

Uninstalled BC, reinstalled with Unified plugins, activated, rebuilt Bashed Patch, ran BOSS.
Loaded my save and decided to go take a dive into the lake, swam a bit and suddenly CTD :/

Left feild .......Try Removing this File....4A OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]

As this one is said to be more stable and really Thats alot of Fish Spawns!

3B Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:46 pm

Removed the esp and rebuilt bash, CTD still while swimming around

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:58 am

Have you tried installing BC full and made sure you have the latest version? Try that, and let me see your load order after you make the changes (which should include rerunning BOSS after installing BC again.)

» Fri May 13, 2011 11:01 am

It might also be helpful to know how much memory the game is using up and how much your system has on it. You could be running into a more general issue of resource shortage.

» Fri May 13, 2011 9:34 am

It might also be helpful to know how much memory the game is using up and how much your system has on it. You could be running into a more general issue of resource shortage.

I haven't checked mem usage, but as it's a few minutes into the game I can't see that being the issue. I'm running Win 7 Pro 64bit with 4GB RAM and I applied the 4GB patch to my exe.

Have you tried installing BC full and made sure you have the latest version? Try that, and let me see your load order after you make the changes (which should include rerunning BOSS after installing BC again.)

I went ahead last night and uninstalled Oblivion, deleted the My Games/Oblivion folder and the Bethesda Softworks\... folders. Reinstalled GOTY last night and the related utilities and OBSE scripts (I added OSR and USV this time). Right now I am taking a quick look at different mods from your site list and then moving on to installing my archives again. I'm going to doublecheck my install order in Bash against your site, then work on getting things installed. Also, I loaded a new game just now and as it stands the lighting is okay. I didn't check originally, but I think the extra darkness was because Let There Be (More) Darkness was installed, and even though inactive it made things dark still.

I'm going to add things slowly this time, I think. I want to know what something screws things up.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:16 am

Let There Be (More) Darkness would have continued to make things dark if you had imported it into the bashed patch.

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:05 pm

Let There Be (More) Darkness would have continued to make things dark if you had imported it into the bashed patch.

Shouldn't have been, I pulled them out of my mod list and rebuilt the patch several times after that. But I dunno, could have made things wonky anyways, and that's the only thing I can think of that would have done it.

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:00 pm

It cannot do anything permanent to your game. It only made light tweaks, must've been something else. Anyway, where does your setup stand?

» Fri May 13, 2011 1:20 pm

It cannot do anything permanent to your game. It only made light tweaks, must've been something else. Anyway, where does your setup stand?

Gotcha.
Took longer than I thought deciding on if I wanted to add/replace stuff. Ended up making some good choices though, I think, and I'm about to start sorting my list now.

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:44 am

Okay, I can check your load list over for you when you finish sorting it out.

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:10 am

Okay, I can check your load list over for you when you finish sorting it out.

Okay, before I continue here is my current install order. Could you take a look and see if there is anything I should move around?

Spoiler

Bain Packages:
000 - ==Last==
001 - Actor_Details_v11.7z (747F1356)
002 - Formid_Finder_451-16704.7z (1E1A14D3)
003 - Keychain_v5.7z (6C3187AE)
004 - Streamline_v31.7z (6762CF2D)
005 - Deadlier_Sneaking.7z (119FAC94)
006 - Enhanced_Economy_3_4_3-25078.rar (330199A5)
007 - nGCD_RC6_Skeleton_Key_Update.7z (1AA9901C)
008 - RealisticLeveling-1_13-13879.7z (C3F66A1F)
009 - OMOBS1_0-28537.7z (EB1E2FED)
010 - Supreme_magicka_0-89b-12466.zip (0F6D0BE7)
011 - TamrielTravellers139c_-__Even_more_Omod_script_Fixes-4387.7z (3B7FC23F)
012 - Tamriel_Travellers_Horse_Textures-16407.7z (7A376E4E)
013 - Bank_of_Cyrodiil-3172.7z (5F76C42D)
014 - GlenvarCastle_V02_10-8235.7z (DAA1EEF4)
015 - Glenvar_Castle_Voice_and_LIP_Addon_-19520.7z (439CD457)
016 - Vaults_of_Cyrodiil-9357.rar (C5C0CB13)
017 - Bobs_Armory_Oblivion_11.7z (1E222C0B)
018 - KD_Circlets_OOOv132_Optimized_v12.7z (4F953134)
019 - Loth_Blunt_Weapons_ver_3-0-1-12939.7z (E14D8906)
020 - PureSteel_Blade_150_Bugfixed.7z (C06DA98D)
021 - QTP3R.7z (C90D3492)
022 - QTP3R-Patch.7z (7779A018)
023 - Optimized_QTP3_Meshes_Fixed.7z (8A16159E)
024 - Knights.7z (3A72700F)
025 - DLCShiveringIsles.7z (97EF1BFA)
026 - QTP3_UOP32_Patch_2dot3-11261.7z (AB6F3EB9)
027 - Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch_v3_2_0_Manual_Version-5296.7z (BCBA7B56)
028 - Unofficial_Official_Mods_Patch_v15_Manual_Version-9969.7z (59895567)
029 - USIP_v140.7z (79CE866D)
030 - UOP_Hotfix_v325.7z (3B9A1A49)
031 - UOMP_1-5_MOBS-17621.rar (440973B5)
032 - USIP_MOBS_1-4-17621.rar (76D7B93C)
033 - Optimised_Distant_Land_MAX_1_1-15278.rar (59C4AF31)
034 - Fran_45b.7z (E2BFEACC)
035 - Robert_Muscular_Fran_Armor-15097.7z (36F2A402)
036 - FranDarkSeducerWeaponsPatch.rar (39CA83B1)
037 - Frans_Optional_Leveled_Quests-SI_Only-17621.rar (44B46A86)
038 - OOO_133_Complete_Patched.7z (B0BFCA93)
039 - Optimized_OOO_133_Meshes-23202.rar (B9CE0556)
040 - OptimizedOOO133b345Meshes-24511.7z (FE2EEE99)
041 - Robert_Muscular_OOO_Armor-14984.7z (254AA989)
042 - OWC_1.08b_Patched.7z (9211387B)
043 - MMM373BSA.7z (61965A13)
044 - MMM_37b3_PR.7z (5D927AC6)
045 - Robert_Muscular_MMM_Armor-15096.7z (7770DF7B)
046 - Cobl_v172.7z (BFECAEE3)
047 - FCOM_Convergence_b99.7z (CB6C8694)
048 - FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.7z (7EB6028A)
049 - FCOM_Ghost_Sound_Fix.7z (AA3A44AA)
050 - FCOM_Archery_for_Armamentarium_Complete.rar (31B90B06)
051 - FCOM_Archery_v100.rar (22854A5E)
052 - FCOM_Archery_for_FCOM_RealSwords.rar (32A3789A)
053 - ufcom.7z (62B956CB)
054 - All_Natural_v099.7z (0D95F197)
055 - All_Natural_v099_Fix_Pack_v2.7z (935D86D2)
056 - Natural_Environments.7z (6F7C2A7F)
057 - Better_Cities_4-5-1-16513.7z (5A60F778)
058 - Better_Cities_Resources_4-5-1-16513.7z (A3FC3879)
059 - Let_the_People_Drink_v25.7z (6AED979E)
060 - Animated_Window_Lighting_System_-_Meshes_v5-1-8-19628.7z (4BEAB92C)
061 - AWLS_-_Brumbek_Mixed_Textures_v5-1-2-19628.7z (0D97C8A1)
062 - RAEVWD_v17.7z (C0E54CCD)
063 - RAEVWD_SI_v17.7z (1A70F42C)
064 - Let_There_Be_Darkness_v12.7z (81308B01)
065 - Let_There_Be_More_Darkness.7z (540094FC)
066 - Immersive_Interface.7z (36FF79BE)
067 - Elven_Map_Redux_3002.7z (9895E18B)
068 - Better_Nightsky_v12.7z (946B8980)
069 - Coloured_Enemy_Health.rar (FEC093E2)
070 - FineWeapons-7317.rar (07CD4CE6)
071 - Real_Lava_1_3-6854.zip (A6E09306)
072 - Real_Night_Sky_2-16617.zip (0281F4A9)
073 - RustyItems.rar (057208F2)
074 - Vanilla_Hair_Replacer.7z (F0F70596)
075 - Harvest_Flora_v301.7z (38D1E8B0)
076 - Visually_Enchanted_Customizer_Fixed-8490.7z (557372E1)
077 - Visually_Enchanted_SoulTrap_Fixed-8490.zip (386B3996)
078 - Better_Redguards_v2_1-10753.rar (84C52A7C)
079 - Race Balancing Project 10,5 - Installation Files Complete.7z (FD601B18)
080 - Race Balancing Project 10,5 EV.7z (85D5F867)
081 - EyeCandy Body.7z (BE7A60AC)
082 - Female_EyeCandy_Body_Replacer(nvde)_v1_OMOD.7z (E84C22FE)
083 - HGEC_Body_v121.7z (37153B99)
084 - HGEC_Face_Texture_HighRes_v12.7z (8E65C811)
085 - HGEC_HigRes_2048x2048_Full_package_v12.7z (2B10E04F)
086 - HGEC_HigRes_4096x4096_Default_Package_v12.7z (39668BF9)
087 - EyeCandy-HGEC_Skins_F-INevOblivion_v10.7z (9E486AF0)
088 - EyeCandy-HGEC_Skins_F-INevOblivion_v10_Dunmer_Fix.7z (06698050)
089 - Robert_Body(m)_v5b.7z (00000000)
090 - Face_Textures2.rar (ABDD1165)
091 - IFT_Improved_Facial_Textures.7z (7E98DEC4)
092 - Imperial_Helmet_Fix-23202.rar (B736E644)
093 - Alternative_Start_v166.7z (98479553)
094 - QuickChar-1979.rar (41F1DF83)
095 - Quiet_Feet_MAX_2_0-12331.zip (A5EAAF5A)
096 - LowPoly_Grass_SI.7z (2B8D5B3F)
097 - Original_Music.7z (A2968FB1)
098 - Original_Shaders.7z (97CFE133)

I do have a few things that I am going to add via OBMM, usually because making them into BAIN format is too complicated and/or I'd like an automated process for them:
HGEC Body 1.21 (or Female EyeCandy - Body Replacer)
Robert Body (male) v5

Thanks for the help

» Fri May 13, 2011 6:18 pm

That looks fairly good. I understand the body replacers thing. That is fine. Also keep in mind that the Keychain mod is a UI mod, so it should be installed after any UI mods when you use them. I have revamped TESIV: POSItive's main http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods page, so you can reference that as well.

» Fri May 13, 2011 8:45 pm

That looks fairly good. I understand the body replacers thing. That is fine. Also keep in mind that the Keychain mod is a UI mod, so it should be installed after any UI mods when you use them. I have revamped TESIV: POSItive's main http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods page, so you can reference that as well.

Alright, after a few hours away I have everything reinstalled. I haven't built the Bashed yet, mostly because I don't want to activate it and have a bunch of plugins be active all at once. I'm going to build it after I get things stable. Also, I moved the Keychain to below the Immersive Interface mod, then installed it. Right now I am activating all the FCOM stuff, then I will move on to COBL. I saved my game in the tunnels part of the prison, where you are trying to get back to the King and his guards. I'll keep going from there, moving along each bit and saving, then activating more mods. I think that those few minutes of playing each interval will at least let me 'prove' that things are working each time.

I'll keep posted with what I find. Last thing I will check is if I can get the Alt Star by Ship working (if not, at least I know the Prison and Tunnels are seeable now!).

» Fri May 13, 2011 5:11 pm

I will wait to hear your updates then. Although...I think you should have stayed in the starting cell. You have already tested that setup, and I do not know how the Alternate Start mod will feel about you having moved already, activating some of the beginning MQ quest scripts

» Fri May 13, 2011 7:35 pm

I will wait to hear your updates then. Although...I think you should have stayed in the starting cell. You have already tested that setup, and I do not know how the Alternate Start mod will feel about you having moved already, activating some of the beginning MQ quest scripts

Yeah I thought of that and so once I have finished everything else I will start a new game and add the Alt Start mod, then see if I crash again. What I want to do is get this save fully modded then leave and go outside, then see if I CTD like before. I think it might be the Alt Start conflicting with something, this is the only way I have to 'prove' it lol

So yeah, I'm trying to cover all my bases and make this go smoothly. So far, so good. All I have left is the small item adders, All Natural, BC, RAEVWD, and the other location adders/changers.

edit: Also, I'm making a new save file each time so I can log my changes properly