Uhh...which high school did you go to? I see kids getting bullied everyday, maybe not physically but definitely verbally. Hell, A kid yesterday was missing for 3 periods and was heard talking about suicide because of bulling.

As for the education. I'd say it's good, though I'm not fully through basic schooling yet.

I'm going to have to disagree OP. I didn't really have to fight for my diploma.

Its a mix of teachers who wont motivate students, standardized testing, and parents not really pushing their kids.

I had some great teachers, but the state would tie their hands behind their backs, we couldn't really learn anything because we had to score well on tests. My teachers were held responsible for our scores.

We still have a long way to go before our education system can even be considered okay.

Speaking of education, did you mean the continent?

1996... That's just... wow.



If aliens attacked us I bet their president would be all like "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbAs203r3Y" :hehe:

(* - Swiss president is a woman. I don't know if she has a husband or not or even whether she is hetero- or homosixual though but it is more probable that she is heterosixual.)

you mean your schools never had corporal punishment? you lucky bastard. I remember i was almost spanked but then my parents just spanked me when i got home... lol.

Of course not (in the last hundred years, give or take, at least). :mellow:

I think such a thing is even unconstitutional over here.

^_^ Did you really write that sentence?

This makes me question everything about your post :shrug:

my school would be relentless. this one kid bullied me so i beat him up one day and then he got beat with the paddle. put an end to that . I wish they would use the paddle more often and i wish it was in all schools.

oh, and this was in the early 00's if you were wondering in deep south texas.

If that is how it goes in the "best country in the world" then I really don't like the world.

Of course, psychologists and other researchers have determined that childhood corporeal punishment (spanking) is http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2008-05119-001. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2002-01514-001. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2009.01341.x/abstract.

and I respectfully disagree

If you have some non-anecdotal evidence to back up your opinion on spanking, I'd like to hear about it.

Either the orginal post was sarcasm, or the OP has had a rather sheltered educational experience.
The public school system in many states, and in the majority of the United States is woefully underfunded, underdisciplined, and is the victom of conflicting politcal diatribe.
My state comes in at the bottom for funding, is going to experience severe budget cuts. Music, art, physical education, after school tutoring, severe learning disability, emotioinal and mentally hadicapped, and mentoring programs, plus outreach programs for at risk youth have all been cut. It seems adminstrative positions never get the axe.

However, teh governor is slashing taxes for big business. Same [censored], different politican .

My children attend private, and I tutor at a private school. Public school here is atrocius, students graduating from the public school system here are ending up taking remedial classes in college just to level up to the starting point. Plus, the graduation rate is low.


I was disciplined with corporal punishment in seventh grade for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people, caught between warring cliques. I was accused of smoking and skipping PE. I had a clean school record, and opted for three swats. They were hard swats, but I didn't flinch. Or cry. Because you see, if my father had found out, he would have beaten the holy living [censored] out of me.
Lesson learned?
I figured hmmmmm, next time dramalamas happen, I am staying the hell out of it, and I am going to be more discerning in choosing friends.
Corporal punishment doesn't work for all students, some don't respond well to painful stimuli. Some don't respond well to time out. Some could give a fat rat's ass that they are going to be suspended. Discipline does not mean resorting to physical violence. It means consistency in dealing with substandard behavior. Which is why I am a fan of in school suspension, isolation, and for repeat offenders, expulsion. This is the ace in the hole private schools hold over public. Teachers have more than enough to do between lesson planning, teaching, grading, recording data, and ongoing training. Students are NOT the font of knowledge, they are there to be taught. If they can't shut up, respect the person teaching them, and not distract the class, then those students have no business in a mainstream classroom.
Private schools can pick and choose who they want to teach, screw up, and you are out. Public schools are required by law to offer education regardless of physical. emotional, or mental handicap.

Agreed

Well next year, the teachers in my state are going to be paid based on their students' class averages. So I am pretty sure the education of my state will significantly decline as teachers start to give out grades for pay raises.

I don't agree that the US education system is "fine", but I don't have any ideas on how to fix it.

:facepalm:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581882,00.html Just found an article but i couldnt find the actual study.

and just based on personal experience, im in favor for spanking.

like most studies, there will always be evidence for and against. just look at video game studies.

Grrr... I wish I would have gotten here sooner... I had to work all day...

At any rate, wow. This thread is right up my ally. I've been studying this stuff quite extensively. First off the American school system is not perfect. From just reading the OP I could tell quite a few things some of them were assumptions but I'm going to make them anyways. He is a white male from a middle class family living in the suburbs. His school situation is very similar to mine and he is biased towards education based off of his own personal experience and that is where he is in the wrong. I've student taught in MPS (Milwaukee Public Schools and it is an urban system. Based off of the curriculum that they have in place I can say that it is far from okay. Kids were not learning anything and what was being taught was trivial things that should've been taught in younger grades. I go back to my high school and witness that there are kids that can get out of school and just take a few tests even when they are a Junior and get there diploma early. The requirements to get a HS diploma is sad. Schools are being dumbed down. States get funding for schools if they produced test scores, what do you do if you want those test scores so you can get money? Lower the standards. Unfortunately our school system is broken and is turning into a business. I'm reading a book by Diane Ravitch right now. It's called, The Death and Life of the Great American School System. It teaches a lot of valuable lessons and teaches how school systems within the past decade have attempted school reforms and how they took drastic measures to do this all to produce these test scores and it never happened. I would highly recommend it to anybody who wants to know how "great" the American school system is.

:o ALIZEE IS GONE! This cannot be!

lolwut?
That would be terrible. It wouldn't affect me, but it would be terrible.

Read the article first then I looked at the source and I can only say one thing, I disapprove.

it was the principal that did it most of the time.

awesome schnakers .

My concept of "spanking" and how it should be administered, as my son well knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW2aMUiajxo&feature=related

i always got the belt lol.

If my teacher tried to take me to the side and take the paddle or belt to me, I'd hit them right back. In the face. With my fist. Or the paddle.