I still think at least the Enclave needs to have Washington D.C. They are nothing with out. And this is because I am biased.

Japan, Brazil, ANZR, South Africa, Argentina, Germany, Kalmar Union? Add them in.

I like it how we have more diverse faction in the United States but I dont like it how we are liminting the amount of nations from other parts of the globe. It's makes the summit's interesting like for example, the British and there Great Truth.

They would have to do that. They would also have to destroy the local raider gangs. Which wouldn't be too hard. But they just lost to the BoS.

I like it, maybe the Florida keys could be given to Cuba.

And for Russia, did you remove Alaska from us?

So are we starting a new convention? If were debating it I vote yes.

This is all true. Bah, no need for Montana from the get-go then. But that's it.


Why do we need all these nations? Why are all these people even by North America? Makes no sense.


I don't see how they did, the Enclave losing to the CWBoS is ridiculous to me.

Yeah, because logically I think Russia would be more focused around the area they actually have built up (Eastern Russia). I personally don't mind if they have a colony over in Kamatctka (whatever that spelling is) or something though.

After I thought about it I think the smaller amount of land would be better for the Ymmuri, anyway. And you're correct, the Rio Grande was kind of the priority, and Mexico City.

Given the size of the Enclave I think it would be best to keep the Capital Union on, say Lyons won, woman's get rid of Florida. Just my opinion.

I agree on getting rid of all of the foreign nations. Think of it this way, would you be alright with the Enclave owning Morrocco? I hope everyone's answer is no

Bos, you're the only one who wants a world-wide Summit from what I've heard. And I don't think Russia owning all of Alaska would be good. In fact, I'm not comfortable with Russia being in this at all. How about you play a Russian-influenced Alaska without actually being Russian.

Well the Capital Union is a nation, so I'm going to assume the Enclave lost this time around. If not then I take back my statement.

Pretend that in a last ditch effort the BoS forcefully recruited anyone and everyone they could. The force was too overwhelming for the Enclave due to their small size.

They then relocated to Virginia, where they had to bide their time to build up again.

Yes but still, how in the world did a woefully under-prepared Lyons' BoS fight off the Enclave in any realistic way? The Enclave has far better equipment, actual training and a high-morale. All of those, the BoS does not have.

So did any peace get made up during the convention?

The current one? Not a bit.

I don't know, I was just going along with the factions we were given.

Like I said it is more for a change in pace. There have been three of these conventions based across America and I don't think the BoS winning in DC has ever happened in any of them.

I would like a change in pace. But, I think we should come up with a reason the Enclave lost.

Fair enough. That's the best reason I can think of, myself. Though I agree with Tiber on the last part.

I personally say reduce the size of Enclave territory significantly and just go with an Enclave victory again.

Personally I'm not a fan of Lyons Brotherhood existing there in the first place, just because that's one more damn Brotherhood faction.

Hey, hey, you won't have to worry about Brotherhood shenanigans from my way. The Midwest is much different.

Liberty Prime is fixed, spanks the Enclave, and then is destroyed later in the battle when the BoS is bound to win?

The NCR beat the Enclave at Navarro, most likely from sheer force. I don't see why that wouldn't work with the Brotherhood of Steel. They could then become a harsh dictator ship or something.

Sarah Lyon's seemed to think that attacking the Enclave was the best course of action. So lets say the Enclave had 2,000 infantry in D.C. Owen Lyon's dies and Sarah Lyon's takes over. She tries to attack the Enclave with the Brotherhood's 3,000 troops, but fails. After a regrouping the Brotherhood recruits an army of 10,000 people and overwhelms the Enclave.

Well, that's partly because it never made much sense why they would win. Without Liberty Prime, I think it's safe to say they'd have gotten steamrolled.

But I digress. The only real problem with that map I have (In my area at least) is I don't have Washington D.C. What if we just moved the Capital Union up North a little bit, just enough for me to have D.C? I would be OK with that.

2. Not really because I owned it in the other conventions.

3. How about no. I am fine with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Far_Eastern_in_Russia.svg not owning Alaska, for now.

And I really seriously dont like this idea of confining our just to North America. Ya it takes place in North America but I like how its like in our current summit's. Imperium, Japan, Brazil, Argentina. In the old conventions with the war with Morals, we lasted for like pretty shortly, only 2-3 I believe so.

1. Yes agreed.

2. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/murica.
One word: Bradley-Hercules.

Where from and how did they receive this massive army from though?

Thinking of it, it could work. I'm wondering if just destroying the Commonwealth completely would work out and change it to Lyon's group.

Also the name Capital Union was to imply that they dropped all Brotherhood ties, so it wouldn't really be another Brotherhood.

They wouldn't be restricted to just the D.C. They could go to Baltimore round everyone up, then go take over Philly and take their people to. Then they head back down to DC and counter attack. Anyways the response to Aldin.

Why not just say that faced with the threat of the Enclave, the Brotherhood retreated north and founded the Capital Union? No fight at all.

Lyons doesn't lose. The Enclave doesn't lose. Everybody happy.

I still don't think they should get Florida though. The Enclave has way, way too much territory.