I'm stuck in a descussion with my friend and he seems to think that only the U.S survived the bombs, but I beg to differ. What ever happened to Earth? what do you guys think...?

Other countries probably have their pocket of survivors like America does.

I see the whole thing as a bit unrealistic, esspecially by fallout 3.

I mean, by then, would there be enough nukes to hit every place in the world? as far as we know it was a war mainly between USA, Canada and China, why would they want to bomb the rest of the world if they arent really involed....


Its a bit like it would be very pointless to bomb 60% of australia as they wouldnt hit many people, hence many places would undestroyed, so places like that that might have even gotten involed wouldnt have the desvestation of america. Hence in austrlia, cities would have quicky emerged inland after the war, only being effected by nuclear fallout in the atmoshpere and inability to contact the rest of the world. I think Russia would be in a similar boat with many isolated towns needless to bomb, same with places in Africa and south america.


Europe was properly bombed as they would have had nukes, and alliances.




So i think america got screwed and the rest of the world suffered, but not to the same extent. And that they are now have working governments and societies again, but america because it got so bombed, hasnt. By Fallout 4 maybe we will see the rest of the world arrive to save america!

I think your friend is a little slow the amount of Nukes that would take to completely kill off the rest of the world , well it's just not possible

i am no expert, but in the 60s the Russians were testing nukes that could annihilate a city like London completely. The radius of the fireball at the impact zone would have reached around 25km with a much bigger shock wave. at that time the Americans and Russians started negotiations to stop or slow the nuclear arms race, realizing that they were working towards a nuclear Armageddon.

so i guess it would be quit possible to nuke the whole planet but why should you nuke mostly uninhabited places like jungles, forests, mountain ranges etc. you would probably only nuke civilization centers and military facilities of your enemies, sounds sick but i guess nuclear war is sick.

The rest of the world is likely in a similar shape as the US. Britain and Ireland certainly survived, as that's where Tenpenny and Moriarty came from.

I beg to differ myself - How on earth can the "US" be said to have "Survived" - The "US Government" (or what claim to be it anyway) barely controls anything, America is a mere memory of what few historians remain.

Well, what is it they say? America sneezes and the rest of the world catches a cold?

Moriarty came from the Capital Wastelands.

Nope, he didn't. From Dashwood's terminal:



The guide mentions his father gaining the wealth Colin inherited, so he probably came to America with his young son, maybe on the same ship as Tenpenny.

It also mentions Colin claiming that his grandfather helped build Megaton, but it also says that there's no evidence for that, so he might simply be lying.

The rest of the world would be much the same as the US, because of MAD, when countries detect another countrie firing missle no matter if there freindly or not, they launch there own missles at there enemys to destroy them, just so you wipe out your enemy just as they do to you.

every habitable land mass would probably be nuked because at the end of our worlds cold war there was enough nukes to hit everywhere on earth several times over, but since the cold war never ended in the fallout universe and the arms race escalated further there would be even more nukes, that are more powerful.

russia was obviously bombed, as well as japan. australia may be possible depending on their resources in the fallout world

Not everywhere would need to be hit by nukes. During the Chernobyl disaster four hundred times more fallout was put out than the Little Boy bomb did when it was dropped on Hiroshima. And the fallout spread for that covered western USSR, most of europe and the eastern coast of the US.

Now try to imagine a few more explosions of much higher yields, and them each spreading to an area this size. The fallout will be there throughout the world, but it won't all be flat as a pancake.

And there would also be lots conventional bombings, biological weapons, chemical weapons, etc.

One thing to remember, it wasn't just the nukes. Fallout 3 doesn't really discuss it, but humanity had been circling the drain for a few decades before the nukes fell in abundance. There was at least one limited nuclear exchange, there were food riots and famine, there was the new plague, and there was tapping out of fossil fuels. Industrialization has allowed civilization to rapidly expand, but without fuel many of those advances would fall away, and many of those technologies and methods have an effect on the maximum possible population. Even without the nukes, there was going to be significant loss of life around the world.

I'd say your pretty well on the money there. Except for one thing. Most of Inland Australia is either desert or pretty close to it anyway. The reason only a handful of people live out there is that there isn't enough water etc. to support cities. So as a proud Aussie i'd say if u bombed all the cities we'd be just as [censored] as everybody else. I mean you might be able to survive in post-apocalyptic wastelands, but as far as I know the Capital Wasteland doesn't hit 45 degrees in the shade! (for all the American's trying to work out the conversion, it's nearly 120 fahrenheit).

Indeed, if I remember the stats, Australia is about 20 mill. A few nukes on Sydney(4 Mill), and a few on Melbourne (3 Mill) and you've already wiped out 1/3 of the population. My stats may be a little out of date now.

You'd only need to bomb the East coast, and Perth on the westand its environs to wipe out the majority of the population.

There isnt a "midwest" sort of area like in the states, the habitable areas mostly hug to the coast.

I'm really interested in the state of the rest of the world. The following is my interpretation of events in Europe, note that this is all just MY opinions and ideas but they don't (as far as I know) contradict Fallout law.

Concerning the United Kingdom.

Britain in the 50's was an idealistic place. The war was over, damage was being cleared and American influences in music and movies were giving teenagers a new perspective on life. The British Empire was only at the beginning of dissolution and ideas of a brave new technological world were becoming a reality. At some point in the ensuing decades Europe became a single superstate, the 'European Commonwealth' making it the most powerful superpower on the planet with Britain taking a political lead (canon). However running such a massive state in a world with diminishing resources took it's toll which inevitably resulted in war with the middle east. A nuclear assault was impractical because the entire point was to capture the oil fields, not destroy them. Ironically, the war was costing more resources to fight than it was gaining.

After many bloody years of war, the middle east developed nuclear weapons and launched a limited nuclear strike on Europe, major capitals such as London, Paris, Berlin and Rome were plunged into a nuclear nightmare. A counterstrike was launched from the UK and France resulting in the destruction of the last of the oil fields. With nothing left to fight over, the war was effectively over. The nuclear attack plus lack of resources resulted in mass starvation, disease, mutation, economic breakdown and open violence. Each European power panicked and declared an end to the Union. 'Every man for himself'. Inter European war followed, causing even more damage to the already devestated countries of Europe. In fact the European War was hardly a war at all, more like small scale international looting.

The USA annexation of Canada caused even more problems for the rapidly diminishing British Government. As a Commonwealth nation, an attack on Canada is regarded as an attack on the United Kingdom. In no position to actively do anything about it (British military destroyed/disbanded) the government made a drastic decision. All of it's remaining nuclear missiles would be sold to China, not for money but for fuel and food. Not only would this help the survivors at home but it would also be a positive statement of protest against the invasion of Canada.

The resources, when they did arrive, were of course sabotaged by the rich who had developed powerful private armies. The UK was no longer the UK. It changed into a series of 'Kingdoms' ruled by the aristocracy (Like Tenpenny). Britain was broken. When the War came no nukes landed in Europe. There was no need to. There was no resources, no nuclear weapons, no army, a tiny population who had bigger things to worry about than international politics...

I think it's pretty much canon that much of Europe was nuked during the Great War as well, since according to Emil Europe is in even worse shape than the US and that Tenpenny came to America to seek his fortune because England was even more messed up. At least two of the FO1 developers also said that they think Europe was nuked too (Tim Cain and Jesse Heinig).

It's best to assume that all developed countries were nuked, otherwise we'd definitely have more international presence from countries that survived in the US by 2277.

I think that's what I described, not only nuclear war but no resources, no government, rioting, disease, famine... Why would Europe be nuked twice, once was enough to destroy it, it poses no threat whatsoever, it's basically a wasteland, they couldn't even be regared as 'countries' any more. Who would nuke us? China? Why? US Why? Every single Chinese nuke would have headed stateside, a single nuke dropped on a devastated Europe is a nuke wasted.

For what we know, Europe was not nuked during the Resource Wars, only the Middle East was.

Both China and the US likely had minor enemies, had their vassal states and allies. Many European countries had nuclear arsenals, as did the Soviet Union and who knows who else. We only know that in 2060 the European Commonwealth dissolved into quarreling nation states. We know that Germany developed Gauss weaponry, and that China, Germany and Soviet Union had their own super-warrior breeding experiments.

The Great War was a planet-wide conflict, not just one between China and the US.

Maybe the Soviet Union decided to invade Europe post-2060? It's not as if they hadn't had such plans back when Europe was in far better shape.

The reason we don't know much about what happened in other countries is not because they weren't involved, it's because the devs decided not to flesh it out too much, so that they are not constrained by their early choices in future games.

As for why? "So that they don't take over when we're nuked and they're not" would likely be enough of a reason for an Enclave-controlled US government.

I'm not up to date on Fallout lore, but did the rest of the world get bombed, too?

Yes.

Fallout intro:



Fallout 2 intro:

But who are the "they" that you are refering to? The Vault Wiki states there was a limited nuclear exchange involving the Middle East during the Resource wars, as they were at war with Europe, and wouldn't bomb themselves, who did they nuke? And as I said earlier, the point of the resource wars was so Europe could capture the oil. So why would they nuke the middle-east other than as a counter-strike. Even if Europe wasn't nuked then its still screwed because it has no resources, it would be like going back to the middle-ages, much worse in fact..

There was no "they" when the great war started. Nukes or not. Certainly not a "they" that could possibly threaten China or the US.

There was a limited nuclear exchange in the Middle East. It's the Europeans who bombed them.



Europeans could have nuked each other, and some of them could have become vassal states of the US, China or the Soviet Union, and they were nuked by their respective enemies. And if Europe was left unharmed by the nukes while China and the US were nuked to cinders, Europe would quickly rise to power, even despite being in chaos after the Resource Wars, since it would have been in a much better shape than them.

None of the nuclear powers, seeing their own countries' imminent destruction, could really afford any developed country not being nuked, enemy or not.

Jesse Heinig, one of the FO1 designers:



The very first Fallout 1 timeline by Scott Campbell and Brian Freyermuth (from which all other Fallout timelines in existence are derived):



Emil Pagliarulo:



Tim Cain:

Though I know "Tactics" is not entirely cannon, but I think I remember reading in one of the ghoul's profiles, that they came from England, which if memory serves me, was engulfed in flames(from multiple nuclear strikes), and eventually sunk beneath the ocean waves? Does anyone else remember seeing this in "Tactics", and if so, it might be an explanation as to what happened to England(mind you not a very good one).