Amulet of Kings! Help~! : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:45 am

Argh! I need help! I need someone who knows Oblivion lore to tell me which God represents which color on the Amulet of Kings.

A picture of it is here: http://www.uesp.net/w/images/Amuletofkings.jpg

The colors are: From 12 O clock clockwise.

White, Yellow-Green, Dark Blue, Orange, Gray, Light Blue, Green, Purple and Red at the Center.

This is suuuuuuuuper important. Thanks in advance!

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:45 am

The red jewel in the middle is easy: Lorkhan/Aka.

I've never heard of any others having colors. I could only give you guesses. I'm looking into it because I'm curious myself.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:14 am

The red jewel in the middle is easy: Lorkhan/Aka.

I've never heard of any others having colors. I could only give you guesses. I'm looking into it because I'm curious myself.

Lorkhan? Like Dagoth Ur's machine?

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:51 am

Whoaaa, you really need to get up on your reading. Read http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml to learn who Lorkhan is.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:34 am

Lorkhan? Like Dagoth Ur's machine?

Lorkhan is not Dagoth Ur's machine. Dagoth Ur is trying to replicate what the dwemer did by creating a god using the essence of a dead god(i.e. Lorkhan's heart)

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:21 am

afaik, the stones are kings, not gods, as al-esh is said to be the "first stone"

also, i dont think it ever says who the rest are.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:13 pm

The stone is indeed Al-esh, who is Shor by proxy/avatar.

» Tue May 17, 2011 10:27 am

The stone is indeed Al-esh, who is Shor by proxy/avatar.

Wait, isn't Shor supposed to be Sithis or something? :confused:

EDIT: No, wait, sorry, mixing up Shor's title (king of the Underworld) with Sithis and the DB's portrayal of Sithis as a death god.

Still... I wonder if this can be connected to that fragment MK posted about that battle with Shor and the son of Shor...

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:41 am

Wait, isn't Shor supposed to be Sithis or something? :confused:

EDIT: No, wait, sorry, mixing up Shor's title (king of the Underworld) with Sithis and the DB's portrayal of Sithis as a death god.

Still... I wonder if this can be connected to that fragment MK posted about that battle with Shor and the son of Shor...

edit: Nevermind, you know.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 pm

I probably don't know what I'm saying, but I would expect them to represent the Imperial's gods. You know, the nine? Except it would only be eight, because Tiber Septim himself wore the amulet of kings when he wasn't yet a god.

So I'm gonna say the big one would represent Akatosh, and the others represent the other seven dieties.

I'm probably wrong, so you have permission to give me a good slap... if need be.

EDIT: YES! Please do slap me. I think Lady Nerevar is on the right track.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:50 am

It's already been stated that the red jewel is Alessia/Lorkhan/Akatosh.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:01 am

/Shor/Al-esh? That's so confusing! I guess it's realistic that different cultures have different versions of the same god... but jeez!

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:48 am

It's already been stated that the red jewel is Alessia/Lorkhan/Akatosh.

The red jewel is Chim-el Adabal, made by the Ayleids. Since the Remada referred to it as Chim-el Adabal and not 'the amulet,' let's just assume that Reman threw it to his artisans and told them to do something religiously symbolic. Eight Divines, there you go. The colors are probably less significant than the artist's color wheel.

The Ayleid part is the Stone, and the soul gem. So even mad Pelagius is in there.

Wulfharth: Simple as this: In Trials of St. Alessia they say Akatosh joined his blood with Alessia's. In some stories it was Shezarr instead. So they are in the gem together, because it is 'knit from the bloody skeins of his heart.'

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:50 am

Wow. I think if I lived in TES world, I would be an atheist. Do you think the gods would kill me?

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:26 am

The "Aka/Lorkah" crap I was saying is a reference to the mantling involving the two individuals, as well as other metaphysical happenstances, e.g. Aka/Shor giving his heartblood/heart to Alessia.

Mantling itself is the mimicry of gods. And in a world of myth and magic, mere imitation of divine forces is enough to put oneself into the godhead.

To Wulf: go ask the Dwemer what they'd do.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:14 pm

I'm scared.

Mantling itself is the mimicry of gods. And in a world of myth and magic, mere imitation of divine forces is enough to put oneself into the godhead.

that's deep.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:13 pm

Since the Remada referred to it as Chim-el Adabal and not 'the amulet'

It is said that even the Chim-el Adabal, the amulet of the kings of glory, had been lost and its people saw no reason to find it.

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» Tue May 17, 2011 3:22 pm

It is said that even the Chim-el Adabal, the amulet of the kings of glory, had been lost and its people saw no reason to find it.

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Damn, I was adlibbing.

Who knows. I never thought the eight smaller jewels were that important (both the Ayleids and the Cyro-Nordics put the number eight all over the place).

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:20 am

Wow. I think if I lived in TES world, I would be an atheist. Do you think the gods would kill me?

You can't, the gods doe exist there, you can't just sit down and say they don't? Do you mean not worshiping a god?

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:05 pm

Once again, ask the Dwemer what would happen.

By ask the Dwemer I mean look at what happened to them.

And by look at what happened to them, I mean they didn't believe/revere gods and believed nothing existed.

And by "didn't believe/revere gods and believed nothing existed," I mean they were atheistic/nihilistic.

You're welcome.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:57 pm

By ask the Dwemer I mean look at what happened to them.

That will just make him wonder what did happen.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:53 pm

well, the superficial gist of what happened is that they dissappeared. Someone with basic knowledge of the MW main quest knows this.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:33 pm

well, the superficial gist of what happened is that they dissappeared. Someone with basic knowledge of the MW main quest knows this.

I meant he'd be wondering "where did they go?"

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 am

I realize that.

I didn't feel like doing all that typing in one post explaining it.

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:00 am

well, the superficial gist of what happened is that they dissappeared. Someone with basic knowledge of the MW main quest knows this.

I thought it was because they were trying to make their own mecha god, and they either 1) ascended to a higher plane of being, or 2) one of the Daedric Princes got pissed and zapped them all.