It's an artifact of evil. And, also, I think it's a trinket by comparison.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum meant to explain why you can kill mannimarco, not an oversoul consisting of a whole bunch of dead guys. 1 dead guy < whole bunch of dead guys.

Damn you Ravanger I'd just stopped looking at Tv tropes to come here and you had to entice me back. Also doesn't Mannimarco have two forms/beings one a godlike being and the other a mortal king of the dead because of the the split during the warp in the west or some such event.

Rookie lore enthusiast speaking so I may be wrong.

Not two forms - they are different individuals.

I wondered how the devs were trying to explain how crappily week Mannimarco was in Oblivion...
Yes, I know that without Traven's sacrifice he would have beat the crap out of us all, I'm just saying... That was in case anyone decided to challenge the first line

I think the cause is just the engine. All fights in the entire game are the same. The only difference is just the combat level of the enemies. Thats why no battle is spectacular (instead of the end fight, which is, in fact, no fight). Mannimarco himself is one or two level higher then the PC. Well... that may be the technical description. The lore... hmm... I was wondering... wasn't Mannimarco in Daggerfall a Lich?

That's what I meant I just said it in a strange manner to clarify. Note the beings after forms I meant it like God(Catholic/Christian god) has 3 forms God, Holy Spirit and Jesus all being separate forms yet the same being. Or maybe like Inari where it is three(or more depending on the theory your reading) gods combined to for a single whole. Basically 2 things separate yet the same in some manner. If I remember right(probably not) Manni King Of Worms seeks to become one with Manni God Of Worms and then either kill all of Mundas and make them undead or sit back as god of the undead. I'm not sure which. I'm looking for books on Mannimarco at the Library now.

I'm afraid you misinterprate the two Mannimarcos. In the christian religion, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit may be one and the same "thing". But the King of Worms and God of Worms are instead two different individuals... or should I say species? Notice, that you as PC are able to kill the KoW. If they were realted, would the GoWsit still in the Aurbis and watch his avatar die? Of course not. The GoW is really a god. Not like Vivec or Dagoth Ur "grounded" in a mortal body. Mannimarco become a moon, like the other Aedra. He do not care about mortal things on Mundus.

Guess I misinterpreted the lore there then. I just researched It on both the Library and UESP and apparently. It's never actually put forward that Oblivion's Mannimarco is the ascended Daggerfall Mannimarco. It's possible that we are both correct or this is just something the devs wanted us to have our own theory's on. Like allot of things we may never know. Also where are you getting that Mannimarco became a moon that sounds like an interesting read.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/necromancers_moon.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/arkay_enemy.shtml

Mannimarco is to big to discuss him (or Him) in this thread. Just use the search engine, you'll find a lot threads about him and his apotheosis.

Earthly Mannimarco knew the mind of lunar Mannimarco and was taking advantage of his powers to do the work of anti-Galerion necromany, of course.



Would the Father sit in Heaven while his Son was killed?

Also, the divided half is pretty much (from what I gather), fanterpration based on how disappointingly unbadass Mannimarco is in Oblivion compared to Daggerfall.

There's a moon who acts like a moon and a man(lich) who dies like a man. So they're either separate entities or a god and his disappointing avatar.

That's the point. Mannimarco is a Lich, but in Oblivion there is his mortal form. I mean... what the hell?

-> http://media.photobucket.com/image/mannimarco/RheddnAllie/Oblivion/RealMannimarco.jpg

You think a good lich can't pretty himself up?

I'm inclined to say this was more developer laziness. Maybe the engine can't give creatures dialog? :unsure: Easy way around this is to make a suit of non-player-equippable armor that looks like a lich and have Manni wear that. Doesn't help with the wussy voice, though.

In oblivion, the only way to get creatures to talk was to actually not have the creature talk, but have the PC speak to an invisible actor who stood in roughly the same position and/or followed the creature.

For example:
The Damirask mod had a Xiviali (sp?) who could be talked to. The catch was that you were really talking to an invisible actor, and it was sometimes a real click fest to find the guy.

There was a mod (Mannimarco revisited) that did just what you're suggesting and fixed the wussy voice problem. (edited the sound file) You could also get the robes he was wearing and some other cool stuff.