[Alycia Leann grace]

My system hangs when I try and enter Cheydinhal. By removing all mods and then installing a few at time, it seems that Animated Window Lighting System is causing the hang. Can anyone help me to get this mod to work?

What happens if you ONLY enable the AWLS ESP? What happens with your complete load order if you start a new game as a test character and visit Cheydinhal?

[SEXY QUEEN]

What happens if you ONLY enable the AWLS ESP?

Many thanks for taking the time and effort to try and help.

I *don't* have the hang problem with only the ESP enabled (and no AWLS meshes or textures installed) - would never have thought of trying that.

What kind of problem could my meshes and texture be causing? What should I be looking for?

Edit:
Also hangs if I install the meshes or textures without the ESP

[Jennifer Rose]

Many thanks for taking the time and effort to try and help.

I *don't* have the hang problem with only the ESP enabled (and no AWLS meshes or textures installed) - would never have thought of trying that.

What kind of problem could my meshes and texture be causing? What should I be looking for?

Edit:
Also hangs if I install the meshes or textures without the ESP

That isn't what I meant, I meant what happens when AWLS is installed fully, but all other ESPs are disabled. Still, you've done something else that's just as good a test

This suggests a bad mesh in AWLS, but this is highly unlikely as AWLS has been around for quite some time now without this being brought up. Are you sure you're using the latest version? Have you tried a manual or OMOD install instead of BAIN?

[Natasha Biss]

I've experienced a few hangs and crashes on the west side of Cheydinhal - especially near the mages guild.

Perhaps it is a matter of one of the mage guild windows version and not that common.

I'm using the blue orange version. And the crashes always seemed to be more in the day time.

[mollypop]

That isn't what I meant, I meant what happens when AWLS is installed fully, but all other ESPs are disabled. Still, you've done something else that's just as good a test

This suggests a bad mesh in AWLS, but this is highly unlikely as AWLS has been around for quite some time now without this being brought up. Are you sure you're using the latest version? Have you tried a manual or OMOD install instead of BAIN?

I just tried a whole range of things - here are the key tests I did...

• Used the OMOD installation mechanism - same problem
  
• Removed everything (all mods and textures - back to vanilla Oblivion) - same problem
  
• Using 2, went back to a much earlier save - NO problem

So my assumption is that there is something wrong with my save game. If this is the case...

• How can I tell what is wrong with the save and is there any way to fix it?
  
• If I go back to an earlier save, how do I know that it won't develop the same problem as I repeat the same steps to get to the point at which I did the latest save?

Many thanks for any help.

[meg knight]

I just tried a whole range of things - here are the key tests I did...

• Used the OMOD installation mechanism - same problem
  
• Removed everything (all mods and textures - back to vanilla Oblivion) - same problem
  
• Using 2, went back to a much earlier save - NO problem

So my assumption is that there is something wrong with my save game. If this is the case...

• How can I tell what is wrong with the save and is there any way to fix it?
  
• If I go back to an earlier save, how do I know that it won't develop the same problem as I repeat the same steps to get to the point at which I did the latest save?

Many thanks for any help.

Oh dear now you're talking possible save-game corruption, I don't know anything about that other than that it's not at all desirable
I'm a bit surprised that a gamesave itself can get upset with just a change of meshes or textures, but I guess anything's possible.

The only other suggestion I can make, is that you put all your mods back in (without AWLS), load that latest save, go to an empty interior (no NPCs, no creatures, preferably one where NPCs and creatures never exist such as a player home), then make a new save (use a new slot) and try installing AWLS again. Beyond that, I can't figure why a gamesave would have an issue with AWLS.

[Evaa]

The only other suggestion I can make, is that you put all your mods back in (without AWLS), load that latest save, go to an empty interior (no NPCs, no creatures, preferably one where NPCs and creatures never exist such as a player home), then make a new save (use a new slot) and try installing AWLS again. Beyond that, I can't figure why a gamesave would have an issue with AWLS.

Many thanks for giving me something to try.

I did as you suggested - actually did the save in my Cheydinhal home. Got very hopeful when I went from the home into the city. Then exited the city through the same gate that I was having problems with and then tried to re-enter - game still hangs on the load screen

Would *really* like to try and avoid restarting the entire game or plating with AWLS - any other ideas or thoughts?

[Killer McCracken]

Many thanks for giving me something to try.

I did as you suggested - actually did the save in my Cheydinhal home. Got very hopeful when I went from the home into the city. Then exited the city through the same gate that I was having problems with and then tried to re-enter - game still hangs on the load screen

Would *really* like to try and avoid restarting the entire game or plating with AWLS - any other ideas or thoughts?

Well, I suppose you could get really drastic and take AWLS apart piece by piece, testing until you narrow down the cause. Assuming this only happens in Cheydinhal worldspace, that obviously suggests a Cheydinhal texture or mesh problem in your game, so start by removing those parts of AWLS from your Data folder, but leave the rest of AWLS installed. If the game allows you to enter the worldspace, then put some of the Cheydinhal AWLS files back in and see if you can find a single file causing the problem. I don't see how this will work though, since you have no trouble with an earlier save, and others are fine in Cheydinhal, but it's something to do, at least.

[Imy Davies]

Well, I suppose you could get really drastic and take AWLS apart piece by piece, testing until you narrow down the cause.

Thanks once again for giving me things to try

Using the BAIN installer I have established that Meshes: QTP3 Windows Chimneys or Textures: Mages Guild Orange or Red Chimney QTP3 causes the load to hang. I also get the hang if I use the non-QTP3 texture so it seems to be something to do with the Chimneys.

I don't understand what could be causing the problem, but I may try and play without including the AWLS chimneys (even though I have Smoke Textures enabled) and see how it goes. Perhaps if it goes well, I can try re-install Chimneys at a later stage and see if the problem is still there.

I have presumed that AWLS meshes and textures should be installed after UOP and QTP3 - thought it worth mentioning, just in case.

As ever, happy to try anything else anyone can think of.

[Jade Payton]

Just want to make a little bit of advertisemant for this lovely mod:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/haegint/Oblivion/Cheydinhal_AWLS_01.jpg

I installed it with the OMOD-ready version, and it went without problems. Somehow, I like the somewhat restrained Ismelda Grey coloring best. Thank you Brumbek and all for this beauty!

[Chloe Lou]

We discovered two wrong meshes in the folders
"51 Bravil B&M QTP3 Windows & Chimneys"
"61 Bravil QTP3 Windows & Chimneys"
"61 Bravil QTP3 Windows Only"
"71 Bravil Vanilla Windows & Chimneys"
"71 Bravil Vanilla Windows Only"

BravilHernanstirHouse (missing wall at the bottom):
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4570449/Mesh-Fehler-AWLS.jpg.html

BravilFightersGuild (missing bottom stuff):
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4570538/Bravil-FightersGuild-Mesh.jpg.html

This leads to landscape holes in Bravil (and harbor), if one uses AWLS with e.g. B&M and QTP3 (at least with the german town package).
I am using AWLS, Better Cities with B&M, but without QTP3 and everything is fine.

E.g. the bravil fighters guild of the BBC Bravil B&M EV 4.4.1 looks funny, when using QTP3 meshes of AWLS (folder 51):
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4571091/BravilFightersguildMeshproblem.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4571104/Bravilfightersguildmeshproblem2.jpg.html

With a correct mesh it looks like this:
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4571299/BravilMeshrichtig1.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4571300/BravilMeshright2.jpg.html

Best regards,
ThreeD

[Katie Louise Ingram]

The UOP includes a replacer mesh for the Bravil FG building, stripping that bottom section out. It's fine for the game's vanilla use of the mesh, but a real pain when used in mods. AWLS must have used the UOP version of the mesh, hence the gap underneath where the mesh is used by BC. This was in fact resolved in more recent versions of BC, so only those using old versions should still be seeing that gap

[Marcin Tomkow]

This was in fact resolved in more recent versions of BC, so only those using old versions should still be seeing that gap

Are you sure? The screenshots were made with the EV 4.4.1 and changelog of 4.4.2 doesn't state anything about any change in Bravil, so I assume, that there'll be still a gap with such a mesh.

Is there any chance, that AWLS will use a mesh with the bottom section of those two meshes in the next release?

Best regards,
ThreeD

[Chloé]

Are you sure? The screenshots were made with the EV 4.4.1 and changelog of 4.4.2 doesn't state anything about any change in Bravil, so I assume, that there'll be still a gap with such a mesh.

Is there any chance, that AWLS will use a mesh with the bottom section of those two meshes in the next release?

Best regards,
ThreeD

I'm certainly sure I fixed it. BC contains a duplicate of the vanilla mesh as an alternate instead of a replacer. I do hope it hasn't unfixed itself somehow - this sort of behaviour has happened in the past.

[Kill Bill]

Ah, you fixed it by a mesh replacement. The test wasn't done with your bsa.

But, hmm, AWLS overrides these meshes, how can this fix work? (or did I missunderstood your explanation?)

Best regards,
ThreeD

[Ben sutton]

Ah, you fixed it by a mesh replacement. The test wasn't done with your bsa.

But, hmm, AWLS overrides these meshes, how can this fix work? (or did I missunderstood your explanation?)

Best regards,
ThreeD

AWLS uses UOP meshes but neither AWLS nor UOP overwrite Better Cities as we did put the meshes that were "fixed" by UOP inot another path for Better Cities as we needed them as vanilla did them. They are in Architecture\BetterCitiesResources\ and not in Architecture\Bravil.

AWLS is basically the same as UOP though, just with animation added. We do not offer non UOP meshes (even QTP3 meshes are with UOP fixes).

[Jessica Raven]

You mean the static BCRBravilfightersguild, correct? This is not referenced in the Bravil B&M esp of the current version 4.4.2.
Instead the vanilla static Bravilfightersguild is referenced six times (and this mesh is replaced by AWLS).

Best regards,
ThreeD

[Natasha Callaghan]

You mean the static BCRBravilfightersguild, correct? This is not referenced in the Bravil B&M esp of the current version 4.4.2.
Instead the vanilla static Bravilfightersguild is referenced six times (and this mesh is replaced by AWLS).

Best regards,
ThreeD

Until I get home I cannot look into this (and this really should be in the BC thread by now) but BC should be using the alternate mesh at least twice. It was when I set this up several versions ago.

EDIT
I've answered this in the BC thread

[Josephine Gowing]

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19628


Just a quick update to fix the Fighter's Guild meshe for the QTP3 Blood & Mud Windows and Chimneys version as reported by Threed.

[jasminε]

Just a quick update to fix the Fighter's Guild meshe for the QTP3 Blood & Mud Windows and Chimneys version as reported by Threed.

Is this upgrade recommended even though I do not use QTP version of AWLS (but vanilla) ?

Ch?re Ismelda, je te remercie infiniment pour ce tr?s, tr?s aimable mod! And I wish my french was better

[Kelly John]

Is this upgrade recommended even though I do not use QTP version of AWLS (but vanilla) ?

Ch?re Ismelda, je te remercie infiniment pour ce tr?s, tr?s aimable mod! And I wish my french was better

No need of it at all if you are:
- Not using Blood & Mud
- Using Blood & Mud but with the Blood & Mud original colors
- Using Blood & Mud with the vanilla recolor but without the chimneys

No worries about your french, it is a stupid language anyway

[m Gardner]

BravilHernanstirHouse (missing wall at the bottom):
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4570449/Mesh-Fehler-AWLS.jpg.html

Totally forgot: this mesh also leads to a landscape bug with one house in the bravil harbour (same issue as with the fighters guild mesh).
Could you also replace this one?

Best regards,
ThreeD

[CArlos BArrera]

The recent UOP hotfixes fixed some buildings that are used by AWLS. Any chance for a compatibility patch of some sort?

[jaideep singh]

The recent UOP hotfixes fixed some buildings that are used by AWLS. Any chance for a compatibility patch of some sort?

I believe there are just two AWLS meshes affected by UOP Hotifx, AnvilFG and LeyawiinMagesGuild. This should be easy to fix I believe. I forgot to check AWLS when I checked All Natural for possible changes.

Anyway, I was thinking (dangerous)...Illumination Within has those cool shutters...wouldn't it be neat if we could add those shutters to the exterior meshes and actually make simply animations for them to physically shut right before night time a few seconds before the lights go out. Adding the shutters to the meshes is doable of course...the animation part I've never experimented with...anyway, that thought just hit me today...would require some real scripting though wouldn't it?

[Stephanie Nieves]

Anyway, I was thinking (dangerous)...Illumination Within has those cool shutters...wouldn't it be neat if we could add those shutters to the exterior meshes and actually make simply animations for them to physically shut right before night time a few seconds before the lights go out. Adding the shutters to the meshes is doable of course...the animation part I've never experimented with...anyway, that thought just hit me today...would require some real scripting though wouldn't it?

Yes, that would require additional scripting. It would be cool though.