Ok, so ZOS announced the CE-edition yesterday and some people went "Yaaay!" and others went "Nooo!", and I'm gonna explain why it's bad (I'm one of the no-sayers).

It has nothing to do with money.
It's not about it being a paygate, p2w, them lying, not being able to afford it or even about the extra playable race.

So what is it about?
It's about them being ambiguous. If you don't know what it means or why it's bad then I suggest you look at politicians and how they get away with doing certain things (or simply wait untill you have experience enough to understand the fallacy).

This means that nothing they say can be trusted, it's all depending on how we as a crowd should percieve them. And from now on I personally will assume (based from this experience) that every announcement that can be interpreted in a terrible way I will assume it to be true in order to avoid unpleasant surprises.

Now we can put this behind us, stop the petty bickering about it being a paygate, p2w or if one can or can not afford it. It's just simply about ambiguity.

Thank you.

~Matt Firor

That wasn't very ambiguous, seems pretty cut and dry until they did the exact opposite.

it's a combination of several things.and yes it broke trust, atleast on my end. i still trust them, and i still feel a relationship exists that can be repaired. im a million miles from jumping ship on eso tho. i still love eso, i just have issues with respect and being knocked around by authority and corperations ingeneral. and this last strike kinda hit a spark.

You mean people aren't happy about this? What?!?!?

What are they ambiguous about? Everyone preordering gets early access. If someone has no money for CE normal version gets them 5 days ealier too... Am I missing something?

That's the problem. Their definition of 'content' could be refered to just areas and not races. You're not in any way hindered to explore the world with a different race than an Imperial.
"We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all" the first part could once again be interpreted as areas such as dungeons for example. The last bit "they get it all" we already Know isn't true because they've said you'll be able to pay for cosmetic changes.
It's not an outright lie that content could be refered to as different areas, but it's ambiguous, and it's bad because it's creating mistrust.

Agreed, it svcks that unless you pay 20 extra bucks you lose the ability to play as a certain race and you lose the ability to craft that armor style. That being said, I'm gonna pay to do it. What is more important is: the race needs to fall in line with the other races in terms of how powerful its racials and such.

This isn't pay to win. Not at all. This race would have to be staggeringly OP compared to the other races for that to be the case. I just don't think that Zenimax is going to do that.

~Matt Firor

This pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. I will buy the CE. I will play the game. I will enjoy it. But I will never trust them. People do not appreciate being lied to. For any reason. At any time. It's easy to understand why many ES fans are upset. They have a right to be upset imo.

Because ^there^ it is. In black and white.

he may have had some one with higher authority in zenimax over step his words without knowing it. it's posible

I cannot say that my trust in ZOS has been broken. I haven't really HAD trust in them. They have to earn that. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but the direction they took here with the CE and what it offers that totally contradicts what they were adamant about, is the first of three strikes against them. And this is before the game even launches.

One thing to consider is that this was their plan all along. to make being able to play any race in any faction, and the ability to play as an Imperial as part of the pre-order perks and ce. A marketing ploy to ramp up sales. It wouldn't be the first developer to do something like that...

Why do you pay the extra $20? Is imperial you favorite race or at least number two? If not you end up paying $20 for an horse you can get around level 15 anyway. You can always buy the armor from an imperial crafter.

In short I see it as borderland amoral to support this ripoff, if the imperial edition sell well they will continue this.

Well the point is, if you do not like the changes so much that you cant live with them, then maybe this is not a game for the person.. As I said I have no issues with the standard or the Imperial edition of the game.

Their definition of content might be high end gear who give an advantage.

This leaves both quests and dungeons out in the cold as long as the gear you get is weaker than in the adventure zone.

Yes its a bit paranoid, pm me then I don't have to bee it anymore

Indeed. In fact that is likely the case here. Matt more than likely believed whole heartedly in those words when he spoke them. The game developers might be just as appalled by this as many ES fans are. They would/could never openly admit that. It would be a conflict of interests. But it could be completely out of their hands now.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. And with the risk of sounding too dramatic (and it's a risk I take), the audience is playing into their hands, most don't care, some think it's bull but at the end of the day we are all getting played. There's a good thing that people (especially big guys like Jimq and TB, force etc) speak up because this is the kind of bs that allow pay gates to be around to the massive and sickening degree that we witness today. I'm actually surprised that gamers are willingly participating in this sort of thing, they are being screwed over year after year, release after release and they happily oblige when the industry is tearing them a new one with their own wallet.

If you don't buy the IE you are getting what you were going to get before hand anyway, so its not like they took anything away. I for one will get the IE because I was very vocal about them not allowing me to play the Imperial race, and now that I can for a measily 20 bucks, I don't really care. If it were 50, or 100 extra, thatd be one thing, but 20 bucks...if you cant afford it, upgrade later.

my dark elf hates imperials and allways has. infact its been like that since day one back in 2000 when i got the 1st copy of morrowind

i would not be riding that horse i can asure you as it would be an embarrasment to me to show off that it came from imperial filth. 1st and foremost i will be deleting that horse.

The problem with the "wait and see" approach is that you lose out on the ability to make any race in any faction. Guilds are my main concern here. Without the preorder bonus, you may be faced with a choice: favourite guild or favourite race?

It seems less like a bonus for those who preorder, and more like a punishment for those who don't.

More than anything, just to have the option. Again, I think its silly that you have to pay 20 bucks for it but If I decide I want to play one I will have it. Honestly, 20 bucks isn't that big of a deal to me. Just my thoughts, meant no offense

It's not as much about the money as it is principle that you don't charge extra for content (feature or whatever you pedants want to call it) if you have a subscription fee, it's like buying a book but a side character has been removed in the normal version and you have to buy a more expensive version of the book that has the character included. Even worse is that ZOS said that they won't charge extra, they explicitly stated that the subscription give you access to 100% of the game, 100% means everything, and they lied. No matter how you try to justify it, they lied. Maybe that's a word too strong for some but call the truth the truth, no need to wrap it into some other bs to make it sound nicer.

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don't worry,

I'm sure, they will insert "change faction" into cash shop. The same thing with upgrade to Imperial Edition.

To me it just means that I'm gonna get the game, but any patch they release may or may not be a deal breaker. Their announcements and promises means nothing to me.

You still don't understand the problem with their previous announcements regarding content and then all of a sudden doing this.
There wouldn't have been a problem what so ever if they upfront would've said "There will be a unique race included in the CE edition, along with a it's exclusive skills" but they didn't.
Saying one thing and doing the opposite (ambiguous or straight up lying) creates mistrust.
I want the possability to play the Imperial race too, but it goes against every moral fiber in my body to support actions likes this!

I have to agree that the content of the CE svcks a bit. But what svcks more is that it does not contain any physical items at all.