You said that you play a lot of Rome 2, did you play that game on launch day back in 2013 or so?

It was, uh, well...Pretty damn broken. To put it into perspective turning the graphics to maximum high-ultra or whatever flipped something somewhere that made all of the unit models use the LOD system in such a way that the super low quality LOD for soldiers at a distance was the only one used at all. It also took a good 5 minutes to resolve a turn. And my god, the game wrecked my PC with the lamest frames ive seen in a while. The rumour was that it was rushed out by the publisher for Christmas, and as a result I won't be pre ordering from Creative Assembly ever again, however good their new Warhammer Fantasy game may look.

Comparing it to Fallout 4 is really no contest. Everyones experiences may differ, of course, PC hardware is pretty fantastically crazy in that way, but while Skyrim was actually the smoothest launch for me its been relatively unbroken for Fallout 4. And even with Rome 2 the game got some intensive patching, and now the vast majority of those problems are fixed. I have no doubt we'll be getting some intense patching for Fallout 4 aswell.

Well thank-you Sonny,Guess I always knew...rankles though grrr.))

It has always been like that since the beginning of the videogames era. Hell, even Pong had bugs. Thing is, the more people are going to play a game, the more bugs arise. That's why the general consensus is that newest games are buggier than what games used to be years before. Moreover, in a game like this where thousands and thousands of gameplay combinations are possible it's very unlikely that you won't stumble upon a bug sooner or later. How many betatesters do you think Beth can put at work? No matter how many, they'll be always a very little percentage in comparison to the millions of players out there. Honestly, I'm pretty sure at one point someone knocks at the devs door and yells "hell, just release it already" but this is not a matter of honesty, it's a matter of deadlines and of resources available.

Yeah,in two years time as the "Comment of the year Edition."

Maybe not honesty,give you that...integrity though? A statement to the consumer that by the nature of the constraints of the industry it's likely their purchase is flawed?

Yeah Rome 2 is probably the worst example..man that was an Alpha..ok now though...2yrs down the track!! They did patch well i agree,here's hoping Todd does.Good comment.)

Meh. This applies to every technological products I can't picture Opel apologizing in advance for the chance of recalling my car due to broken seats [I'm not making this up, it really happened] and I can't picture game companies writing down such statements either.

Apologies,I didn't realise English wasn't your first language.

At least Opel recalled... )

Tons of people are dealing with the buggy settlements,so what equipment are you speaking of?

I've played this game for many hours.

I've had some problems with it.

Some of the things that are supposed to happen haven't because they are glitched.

When this happens i am left disappointed

However I am grateful for the work that the developers have done on releasing this game because I have enjoyed it.

You see i don't expect perfection so can wear a few glitches with good humour.

One reason for this is because I am 60 years old and in my lifetime have seen the evolution of video games.

When they first came out i would marvel at monochrome stick figures moving across a screen.

Many games were pc versions of board games, (You advanced 10 paces and meet a fire breathing dragon, you A cast a spell B strike with a sword ..and so on.)

Then John Carmack worked out how to get more out of a video card buffer than the makers intended allowing scrolling games to appear.

He released his titles as shareware.

Now we have evolved to open world games like Fallout 4.

What's next, virtual reality I suppose.

There will always be problems.

if the software developers waited til every bug was ironed out and the game was tested on every combination of hardware they would need an army of beta testers, the titles would take forever to produce and they would be hideously expensive.

I think what they do now is a reasonable compromise which i can live with.

As i said I'm grateful for the opportunity to play games such as these.

IMHO we are spoiled with choice these days.

just post up what you have now people will remix it.

A new engine would almost solve all Bethesda's issues. Hopefully the next Elder Scrolls will have one finally. Cross fingers...

English is my first language. Your first post was disjointed and chaotic. The only thing that could be extracted from it is that you believe that SETTLEMENTS are broken and you want them fixed, but never specified what you think is wrong.

and millions of people aren't. So being as the bugs aren't universally effecting everyone, and quite the contrary, just effecting a small fraction of people, it's not hard to deduce that the problem lies in the users software or hardware. It's the only variable that isn't a constant

I'm playing on the One,so my hardware has nothing to do with it.Like i said before,tons a people are dealing with this issue.here and other places on the net. Btw...what system are you gaming on?

wouldnt a new engine cause more problem because of bethesda's inexperiance with it? Then theres the whole mods situation and if that engine is any good for it.

Most likely. It would also create a whole host of problems with the modders, who wouldn't be familiar with the new format.

and like I said, millions of people are playing with no issues. Since we know the code is the exact same for every copy of the game, that can't be he issue. The equipment, however, isn't all the same. Even if they were all made by the same company, that company is using various vendors to supply parts. Especially if you were to compare a machine made last week to the same one made a year and a half ago. As Sherlock Holmes would say, once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the answer


I myself am playing on a PC. I7 6700, 8 gigs of memory, and a r7 370

Which leads into the question - Should they sacrifice the modding for a more stable engine?

I've played Fallout 4 for about 500 hours now, and it's been a nearly glitch free experience. I've had a few minor bugs that haven't really impacted my enjoyment. I've spent a ton of time building up every possible settlement in the game and feel that the settlement system is fantastic. There are a few quirks with it, sure, but nothing that I'd consider a major problem.

IMO, no.

Mods and those who create them, are a veritable fountain of good free ideas for Beth to take clues from and put into our games. Not only that, but mods also help to extend the shelf life of the game. There's a good reason why people are still playing Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3...and it's not just that they all have fantastic writing which blows away every other game developers writing ever done in the history of gaming...okay, okay, sarcasm mode off now.

Besides, Fallout 4, at least for me (I will not attempt to speak for everybody) runs just fine. Two freezes, no crashes, and no broken quests in over 300 hours play time. All this on a machine which, while it does meet the minimum requirements, does not meet the recommended requirements. Still running the game with almost everything maxed out. I think that might say something for it's stability.

What a great post,thanks...still like to hear from the devs on patches more regularly though..instead of this stony silence..

I never bought Rome 2, but I've watched a lot of videos on it's buggy state. Skyrim brought me the good old bluescreen of death at release. To compare FO4 to these two is just flatout dishonest. It's certainly the least buggy Bethesda release I've ever experienced. That's not to say ,it doesn't have it's problems that should be adressed by the team, but it's not as outrageous as some people try to make it.

Well why didn't you say so earlier?..puerile one-liners are no help to anyone.Yes, Settlements are bugged,they dont show the right stats in the pip-boy,the setller ui is terrible..walking into walls etc,brahmin on rooves,traders not attending counters..also,it seems nigh on impossible to get to max happiness.In fact the whole happiness dynamic is flawed...hazard signs in pip-boy that warn you of discontent,only to arrive at the settlement and find all's well..settlements being attacked with no warnings given...ad infinitum.