this ties in with my point it's the fact gaming has been on a massive rise that has lead to the sales being what they are.

As cannibal club said i'd be happy with just conformation that it is indeed in development.

Morrowind came out about 6 months after Xbox. And oblivion came out about 5 months after the 360. So fallout 4 could be shown. I think it will be shown at the Xbox event on the 21. Then gameplay will be shown at e3.

However they can't just say "game get made" and it appears. There was a point some time ago where Bethesda hired a ton of people, at least I think so. If that is the case then I'd say that is the point at which Fallout 4 really started with the development.

I wouldn't be suprised if Beth goes in the direction of TES Online release date info at E3 plus whatever non FO title they may be working on. I don't know, very possible they're just going to wait till 2014 till next gen consoles are in full swing.

I think Bethesda's big reveal for E3 will be the release date for TESO. We'll hear about Fallout 4 after the TESO release-- no need for them to divert the attention of the shared fanbase.

I hope it will be announced then, as they've been working on the game for a while, considering BGS has been most likely working on it since Skyrim came out, most likely with the majority of the their dev team (I highly doubt it took all their coders, artists, etc over a year to make dragonborn and dawnguard).

Hoping for e3, if not, then the spike vgas.

Sad thing is this would be a smart move on their part.. I still like fallout over skyrim though.

Its really unfair to compare Skyrim's sales to Fallout 3's. Skyrim came out 3-4 years after F3, allowing BGS's fan base to grow thus creating sales.

Its more logical to compare it to Oblivion which sold 6.92 million copies.

Also a lot of Skyrim's sales came from gamers like me who had never played TES before but were simply encouraged to buy it because it was the same developer/ design of Fallout. Honestly I believe a good portion of Skyrim's sales were due to Falllout 3 as well as New Vegas.

Going by your logic Skyrim should have never been because Fallout 3's success was marginally greater than Oblivions. Now this is not even factoring the profit which they made from Obsidians Fallout New Vegas.

Bottom line is TES VI wont be out untill the next gen consoles are at least a few years old

As someone else stated F4 has most likely been in some stages of development since late 2008.

I remember when BGS's concept artist died not too long ago and they claimed( paraphrasing) that his work will still be seen in another title that was years away. I forget the name of the concept artist (shame on me) but he worked not only on TES but Fallout 3 as well. Smart money says he was working on concept art for F3. IIRC this all happened before Skyrim was released.

. agreed

I actually bought my copy is Skyrim because I had played Fallout three and wanted to see their take on fantasy.

And guess which game(s) fueled Skyrim's popularity? (Hint: Oblivion would be the wrong answer).

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people bought it just because Bethesda made Fallout 3 and wanted to see if it was cool or not. It's basically as simple as more people like guns than swords' at least people I know.

Theres a reason why why Skyrim's sales were so good and I have a hard time believing it had nothing to do with Fallout.

If I had to guess I would say sales of Fallout 4 will blow Skyrim's out of the water, and for one main reason...... its not necessarily fantasy based which drives a good deal of fans away from franchises like TES. Fallout, for the most part, is not fantasy which makes it easier for the average gamer to relate to/ like.

So you say a postapocalyptic world which got stuck in the 50's where nearly every electronic device runs on atom energy and mutated creatures such as Brahmins, Ghuls and RAD-Scorpions habitate the surface is not Fantasy?

Coolio

I got your point tho

There's a habit in the U.S. of using "fantasy" as shorthand to describe a subset of high fantasy commonly involving elves, dwarves, and dragons. The Fallout games are certainly fantasy, in the broader academic definition. They could also be characterized as science fiction, robinsonade, black comedy, dystopian, and in some ways, cyberpunk-- among other things.

If playing Game Dev Tycoon FO would be Post Apoc Alt History Sci-Fi.

Everything is a "fantasy", but I'm sure you understand what genres are.

No, it is Science Fiction.

One is improbable possibilities while the other is probable impossibilities. Guess which is which.

I certainly hope they're working on a Fallout 4. As far as I know, 3 was massively successful, so they certainly haven't abandoned it, and if the rights haven't changed hands, we're pretty much guaranteed another Beth Fallout game.

Best case IMO: we're a couple years from a big, next gen release with an even more fleshed-out map and a better thought-out MQ.

Worst case: The Boston Marathon bombing has somehow forced them to change the map location for the next game (were it Boston), so they have to re-do most of the game and we'll be getting a hastily re-done version that leaves us wondering what might have been.

They're not going to scrap years of pre-development to change the setting because of the Boston Marathon bombing, even if it is set in the Commonwealth. They'll make us wait a little longer for an announcement, if anything.

Oh yeah, I'm not realistically expecting them to do that, but people are really, really stupid. I was thinking of the way that some episodes of TV programs get pulled due to stuff like this, the way movies get delayed, ect. People without a clue might, not will, just might, get worked up about how insensitive it is for Beth to release a game full of guns and explosions in Boston post-tragedy. I could just imagine Beth/Zenimax execs sending the word down the ladder to change the setting to avoid such an outcry. Pure pessimism on my part, but dumber things have happened. Remember when Mass Effect was blamed for that school shooting? Yeah. Thoughts like that tend to haunt my speculation of upcoming releases.

The console install bases were tiny when Oblivion launched, so that not an entirely fair arguement either..

wasnt the boston thing debunked as a vicious rumor anyhow?

This is exactly what I'm pointing out. Your argument is flawed because it doesn't take into account a host of factors, not the least of which being the rapidly-expanding console install base. They're still selling current-gen consoles like hotcakes (1.4 million XBox 360s in December 2012 alone). As gaming becomes ever-more democratized (and as gamers grow older and continue gaming, while new gamers are born daily), the pool expands and sales increase.

Skyrim is so popular because it's a great game, not because it's a TES game. Many Skyrim players had never touched a TES game before-- the series is irrelevant to them.

Boom.

No. I did not. That was apart of those 13% I suppose.

I was just teasing-- pointing out that you were arbitrarily assigning probabilities to something that's merely speculative at this point. No insult intended!