Just wondering, I know Todd said that they've focused a lot on animations this time around. And I don't know if they still use a GameBryo or a new version of it. Or possibly a completely revamped version. But I do know that the latest version of GameBryo did support Euphoria and DMM both actually. And this is a series that would definitely need something like Euphoria! DMM would be a dream though, but Euphoria is completely necessary!

The Skyrim engine is brand new. No more Gamebyro.

Well, they're using a completely new, internally developed engine (as far as I know, the RAGE engine), so I'm sure they've managed to incorporate an excellent animation system into it - perhaps we'll hear more news on it later. Will put the question forward to the devs

It's not the RAGE engine either. That was dev'd by id software.

The Skyrim engine has no name as of yet besides... Skyrim engine.

Judging by the posture of NPCs in the GI screens, I'm willing to bet the animations will be pretty good.

Euphoria should be standard in all games these days, so I truly hope they're using it! I know they do play lots of games, like GTAIV, Red dead redemption and Star Wars Force Unleashed. So they must have seen these awesome features and though, "hey, we should use that in our own games!" We should do a fan interview with them that's got these questions.

I think they should name it Skyrim engine, or Scroll engine, TES engine? but over to topic, I think the animations has improved alot this time! todd knew that was bethesda's biggest weakness

He said the same thing last time. I don't believe a word Todd says until I see it.

The animations are a big part of the immersion in these sorts of games. Oblivion felt like a static and stiff world to say the least.

I've got lots of respect for Bethesda, but they've been really weak on animations with both Morrowind and Oblivion, and Fallout 3 wasn't great either (though improved over their TES games). I do hope what Todd says is true, but I'm not holding by breath. Luckily, animations aren't make or break for a game, IMO.

Man, what about Skyengine?

the build up for oblivion and the huge letdown did kinda ruin their believability... im hoping this time around, they dont disappoint us.

hopefully the first video we see will renew our faith in them.

The 'Fargoth Engine'.

Well to his credit, Oblivion's animations were better then Morrowind.

I'm just hoping for really good animations for combat.

Or rather the system implemented in Overgrowth.

Euphoria will not work here, at least not to the extent it does in GTA. You could beat any enemy by bumping into them repeatedly so they could never stand up. It's how I kill cops in GTA, how I killed gang members in RDR, and would be how I killed enemies in FU2 if I didn't have crazy force powers. If they use it they need to tweak the stumbling back a ton.

Edit: Even more so, the very reason it works in those games is because you have 30 people who you can barely tell apart and have no reason to because all you are going to do is shoot at them. You don't get 30 semi decent enemies at once in ES you get 1-6 enemies at once that have completely different ways of fighting then just shooting at you with a handgun. On top of that you have all the traps and other objects with physics in the world around you as you fight and if you kill an NPC it means something because you don't just fail a mission and get to start over again.

Seems like you don't have a lot of fun playing those games.....

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Screenshots don't show much, I won't judge them until I've seen them in motion.

Actually I love those games (Except Force Unleashed 2 it was pretty, but really half baked like the first one). Until recently RDR was part of my collection until I traded it in for GTA4 complete. My point was that Euphoria strictly does not work well on a game like an ES title. It can be used in those games because the enemies aren't challenging obstacles or incredibly detailed (each enemy group has maybe 3-4 models), the don't run out and fight you or stand their ground they utilize a cover system whenever they can which is why Euphoria works. It is a great engine, just not suitable for an ES title.

No. Euphoria does not work like that, you can't have it in every game. Lemme quote something I said explaining how Euphoria wouldn't work on a game like TES for instance:



I'd rather have something like Left 4 Dead's death animations, where the NPC falls executing an animation and then applies physics to finish the animation in a ragdoll way.

And, DMM is too CPU-heavy and it would fry our systems, plus it can't be implemented in such big scale that TES's games are.

What are you people talking about? Of course Euphoria would work in Skyrim. The rules in previous games using Euphoria has been specifically set for those games. In an Elder Scrolls game, how an NPC moves would be controlled by his stats amongst other factors. It's not like a high level character would fly backwards if you hit him with a stick. t's a matter of how it's implemented that would affect the end results more.
I see no reason at all why Euphoria wouldn't work in Skyrim. Not at all. Of course, if they copied the rules RockStar used with GTAIV, that would be horrible. But that's not the only way Euphoria can be implemented. It's the developers that set the rules on how it behave.

Again, Euphoria is a framework that is highly customizable. It's implemented a lot better in GTAIV than it was in RDR. Also, how fast the animations play can also be altered.

How was it bethesda's weakness? The animations in Oblivion were great for it's time in a persistent, sandbox world.

Not at all, actually. They were pretty similar to Morrowinds. Assassins Creed is a persistent free roaming game that only came out about a year after Oblivion, with animations approximately x12,000,000 better.