It really bothers me when people say that graphics make the game. Dwarf Fortress is an excellent game and its "graphics" are just ASCII! But the game manages to be extremely deep and engaging.

If New Vegas has good gameplay and story I'd play it if it had Doom Graphics.

Not at all. Mostly because the original announcement / project goal for FO:NV was "Let's see what Obsidian can do with the Fallout 3 engine/etc". So of course it was going to look generally the same. It's not Fallout 4, and was never meant to be. So I'm not disappointed - the game is exactly what I was expecting it to be.

This game will rock regardless of the graphic setup.

The dialogue and story alone make me want to play this game. Not only that but how many ideas they have taken from mods such as iron sights, hardcoe mode, companion system, factions, better ai, more melee moves, weapon modding. Man just thinking about it gets jazzed up to play.

Why are all these people who loved Fallout 3 so much so disappointed that the engine is the same? If you love Fallout 3 so much why are you sad that this game is like Fallout 3 just 10x better? It makes no sense to me. What do you want??? A completely different engine each time a game comes out? I never see near as much comments saying "Black Ops looks the same as MW2" or "RDR looks the same as GTA" but when it comes to NV everybody seemed to expect a whole new engine new everything. Obsidian gave us everything we wanted. The original masters working on the game, better dialog, better plot, iron sights, reputation system, ability to join factions, weapon mods, total complete choice on what faction to annex, better graphics, set in west coast, more music stations, double the amount of quests, more locations and towns, double the amount of weapons. WHAT THE HELL MORE DO YOU WANT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Rant over. :fallout:

And the OP:



I see what you did here EP AND I'm on to you!!!

But with respect to the OP, Yeah it's the same engine with an overhauled storyline and tweaked gameplay. If you want a newer engine/better graphics you will have to wait until FO4, which will probably come after TESV. Using the same engine is a way to put out a full game within 1 year of the previous release, and allowing Obsidian (which has some of the original team from FO1, 2 and the Van Buren Project) to create FONV will allow the Fallout originators to take the franchise in the direction they envisioned, but using FO3's engine...

Better graphics=Less content

My assumption, is that the majority of players would not be able to identify the engine from a screenshot alone (Assets, yes, but not the engine).

*in-game video is different though. Lots of people would pick-up on some of the stiff animations, but is that really inherent to the engine itself?

I think the engine is great, and I have no qualms with it. For those that truly believe the line about "Engine can't handle it" for vehicles... Wasn't the last Speed Racer game done with Gamebryo?

**For the record, I didn't much care for what I saw of the (Speed Racer) game, and the vehicles were [IMO] a little awkward, but the game was a race driving game so clearly Gamebryo itself can handle vehicles.
(Ladders too I'd expect).

Completely agree with you. Heck those who have been playing elder scrolls games have been using the Gamebryo engine since Morrowind came out. The same engine has now been used also in Oblivion,Fallout 3 and New Vegas and the next Bethesda game will also use the same engine (announcement). Are you really that bored to that engine, Fallout fans? :fallout:

I rather want them to use the current engine because if they would make a new engine, it would take atleast a year or two to make the engine.

I really don't mind the graphics/engine.

And if anyone says that New Vegas should be an expansion because of the graphics, just tell them that Fallout 2 should have been an expansion by that logic.

From what I've seen fallout 3 has a ladder/climbable surface. Though they just used it on the back of a bus.

Train cars have them too. The official word was that ladders play havok with the AI.

(I was really ticked off when I discovered that the PC could not climb the ladder on the boxcars. :meh: )

I can't play Dwarf Fortress. The ASCII graphics don't keep me away (I grew up playing games that used them), but even after a 8 hours of studying the game and playing, I can't tell what the heck is happening on the screen. It makes my head feel ready to explode, like I'm trying to see the Matrix in all that scrawling code. It's like trying to learn a new language. :violin:

At first I was disappointed but now it looks pretty good. xD

Well if you loved fallout 3 then what's so bad about new vegas?
You loved the gameplay, the special, the dialogue, the weapons, the enemies, the setting, the lore, the perks etc.
If you loved all of that, then you're going to love New Vegas, because it's basically "more of it but better".

To be honest any colour except grey means that New Vegas players will probably fel that it's had a graphical improvement over Fallout 3.


The comparison that Obsidian keep mentioning is how much of an improvement GTA:VC was over GTA 3 using the same engine. I'm glad they focused more on interesting characters and locations than improving the combat which should always take a backseat over good story.

Well, it's not necessarily unreasonable, after all, one might expect a sequel to bring something new to the series, instead of just transplanting the same core gameplay into a new location.

I think the thing is, though. That one shouldn't think of New Vegas as a sequel to Fallout 3. It's more like what GTA: Vice City or San Andreas were to GTA 3. These games may have used the same engine and core gameplay mechanics to GTA 3, but they still had a lot of new things in them, not just in terms of content, like a new setting, new characters, new vehicles and such, but even the gameplay had many new mechanics. And the same is true for New Vegas, perhaps you've heard terms like hardcoe mode here? Or the companion wheel? Those are some examples of changes to gameplay that have been made in New Vegas. So it's not like this game is going to be just a glorified standalone expansion to Fallout 3, it's a full game on its own, just a game that focused on refining and expanding on the mechanics of Fallout 3 rather than being a complete innovation of the series. Now, maybe saying that won't change your mind, maybe what you WANT is an innovative game that would completely redesign everything from the ground up, and that's fine, but that's obviously not what Obsidian decided to go with, but I wouldn't worry. I suspect that when Fallout 4 comes along, we'll see some bigger changes, both in the technical and gameplay department. For now, though, I think I can live with what New Vegas will be. While Fallout 3's graphics might not exactly be especially impressive right now, I'd still say they're quite acceptable in a modern game, it's not like Obsidian is going back to Daggerfall's graphics, and it seems like most of the new gameplay features are either ones that I like or things that don't bother me because they're optional such as hardcoe mode. And the new setting should be interesting to explore, and even if the graphics don't see much improvement from a technical standpoint, I think I can agree that bringing in more varied colors will make them more pleasant to look at, now, I wouldn't have objected to seeing a few more changes to core gameplay, but all in all, it looks pretty promising to me.



I could name a lot of other sequels that also don't have new graphics engines, granted, they might still make clear improvements on graphics, but chances are you can still see they're running on the same engine. At least they decided to call New Vegas that instead of Fallout 4, even though considering some of the sequels I've seen, I'm sure the game could get away with being marketed as a full sequel.

Good points to make about GTA and others.

Not to be a post police, well ok I guess I am but: Wall of text, press enter please, sometimes my eyes divert back to the sentence I just read.

I absolutely LOVED Starcraft. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the expansion packs. When I heard about a new Starcraft2 game taking place years later I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as Starcraft1. Besides the new units and new locations there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Gears of War. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the achievements. When I heard about a new Gears of War 2 game taking place in a new city I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as GoW1. Besides the new guns and new location there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Bioshock. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the plasmids. When I heard about a new Bioschock2 game taking place in Rapture I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as Bioshock1. Besides the new guns and new location there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Mass Effect. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the DLC. When I heard about a new Mass Effect 2 game taking place in the future I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as ME1. Besides the new guns and new location there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the maps. When I heard about a new Modern Warfare 2 game taking place in America I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as MW1. Besides the new guns and new location there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Street Fighter 2. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the hidden characters. When I heard about a new Street Fighter 4 game taking place in new arenas I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as SF2. Besides the new fighters and new locations there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

I absolutely LOVED Half Life. I got it on launch day and have gotten all the expansions. When I heard about a new Half Life 2 game taking place in the future I was stoked! I got even more excited when I watched the first teaser trailer. But when the time came for some actual game play footage. I was disappointed. The game looked exactly the same as HL1. Besides the new guns and new location there didn't seem much of a change. Any one else here as disappointed as me?

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

OP (sgtJARHEAD): Is Fallout 3 the first video game you've ever owned and played?

I see what you and protectron did there.

Like Mr. Fish said, if you loved Fallout 3 so much, what's wrong with New Vegas? The title of your thread indicates to me that you're not getting NV. So why bother hanging out in a forum to a game next in the series, that you've already decided you're not getting? If you're waiting for some convincing reasons from the forum members, we're on page 3 and no response from you. What you see is what you get, and it's one month from release.

I don't know what some people were expecting.
So, let's try it in a different way:

If there is a sequel to a game, what must be done in that game to make it an official sequel and not make you disappointed?
Better graphics?
New features?
Change engine?
Change gameplay?
Change the HUD?
Change inventory screen?
Change dialogue system?
Change all skills?
Change perks all together?
Better AI?
Cover-based system?
Changed health system?
Vehicles?
Jetpacks?
Sprint function?
etc.

Ya.. an example of better graphicw would be Metro 2033.

It's a great game and all but you're stuck on a rail (litterally actually). Don't get me wrong I throughly enjoyed Metro 2033 but it has about half the content FO3 did.

Well, I'm no game designer so I might be completely off but I guess it's about what you want more.
Do you want a crap-load of content or do you want a pretty game?

I pre-ordered it quite a while ago. Why wouldn't I buy New Vegas? It's the same engine as FO3 but with a completely new storyline. I know the engine, I know how it runs on my system, so I don't have to change anything there, but I do get the brand new storyline. It's awesome.