I saw the Warren thread's last post today, and it admittedly made me reminiscent. However, due to it's setting of the time, due to the fact few newer members seem to try joining it, I am not requesting we revive the thread. Especially with some relevant members long gone.

Still, one of the reasons I loved it was (aside from the fact it was so open in what you could do) that it was an interesting way to use a directly post-war setting. Right after the bombs had occurred, and how it had affected those that didn't get into a vault. So I decided to set up a thread for the community to brianstorm pre-war and post-war ideas, and perhaps take at least something useful out of the discussion. :]

I was considering discussing "vault experiments," too-but those are far trickier to accomplish in the typical case. It would have to cause a constant, on-going conflict that comes into effect almost immediately and does not become static.

Could you explain?


You say post-war/pre-war ideas, but now I'm reading that there is a vault and atomic bombs involved...

Oh-no. I say "directly post-war" in the terms of immediately after the Great War occurs. I was hoping to have a brainstorming thread for that sort of setting-either before the war(probably not long before) or very shortly after. That's basically it. ;]

Sorry for not making the thread more clear.

So... pre-war settings/post war settings?


ummm. A city of skyscrappers or a suburban town/ a city of rotting sky scrappers or empty wooden houses O-0

I actually like the idea of using skyscraqers-could be interesting to see people try to use futuristic buildings and not that have been decaying, and either nearly gone/ready, gone, or stable/not damaged enough to be so close to destruction. :]

In the Fallout world, it seems like the Government/Higher-Ups became rather elitist, there could have been an extremely metropolitan city with elitists who lived in the top-with special pathways connecting to the highest of the buildings, and others who live at the bottom in the cluttered, polluted area. Either before or after-it would need more than that, but it's an idea.

I'd be really hopeful some interesting technology/aerodynamic technology could be somehow implemented.

There were also those public, community fallout shelters right beneath the city that could be used, in a way unique from the way metros/sewers were used before in the actual Fallout cannon.

And I know during WWII Disney, among others, did propaganda-I've brought it up a bunch of times, but I always saw the fact as interesting.

If it was pre-war, it would have to look at a side of things not really mentioned/elaborated on much in the official story.

Well, my Pre-War Fallout universe is a bit rusty, but I do know that the Great War was raging some time before the bombs started to rain down. The war was particularly going on between the democratic nations and the communist nations after the disbanding of the United Nations. The Great War in Fallout focuses on the struggle between America and China in particular, but it can be rationalized that wars were erupting everywhere in the world with the Communists and the free world.

Perhaps, since I've never seen this done before, we could have two opposing forces on a battlefield (like America and China). Right in the middle of the War, the bombs fall, and the soldiers fortunate enough to survive the blast in trenches and bunkers could emerge. Then basically from there, it's up to the RPers on what to do. Do they continue the fight? Or do they lay down their arms due to the sight of the ruined world around them?

After you figure that bit out, it's a matter of what to do to find hope once more.

I liek something about Pre-War Denver:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Denver

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_Plague

Maybe a zombie survival RP or something of that nature?

I'm not really into all out zombie survival games, personally. Even with a twist, it usually feels overdone to me.

However, I like the concept of Denver-maybe there could be an RP for it or something significantly similar-possibly showing people try to live in their conditions before and after the war. As for the New Plague could be, easily, a problem that'd be fun to use but I'd prefer not to treat it like a "zombie" plague if I were to RP or write about it. :]

Xivilai- I actually really love that idea-haven't ever seen a RP quite like that. :] The sides would be so polarized, but they wouldn't have the forces of the media, government, the life they had before, etc. to urge them to keep fighting. It'd be interesting to see the (hopefully) varied reactions/decisions that result from that. The only battlefield I actually know of, however, is the one that took place in Alaska.

If the setting could be more elaborated, though, I'd happily join/make that RP. :] Is there possibly a more interesting location? If not, we could look up information about parts of Alaska to add to it.

No one do the China America soldiers rp. I am workin on one!!!!!! Anyway I'd say more but I'm on my ipod

Here's one.

If you read Fallout's Lore, only if you had enough money or if your were "important" you could be let into a Vault. SO! Think of this: An RP were a group of suburban families, only a week or so before the bombs fall, have to try to either break into one of the Vaults (not literally, they're can withstand nukes after-all), or get to a safe-haven that will give them a chance.

The RP may be drawn out a bit, for the sake of a good-sized thread. The people in the RP must be poorly armed, as they're just simple suburbanites; nothing more than a hunting rifle or shotgun. All the soldiers have automatic weapons and they're all off fighting a war.

Then, once the first thread is over and the bombs have dropped, radiation decreased etc etc. The families may come out and look for a place to settle...

Oh now this is giving ME an idea. We could revive The Warren!!! The families are in Colorado, they travel into Kansas, into Wichita. There they find the Warren in its current state, and I'm certain there are two (not including me and you Tick) old players who would be willing to get back into it. Not to mention we'd have new RP'ers to play as the families.

How's about them apples!!!

I actually do like that idea. :] I'm happy to try it out, as nervous as I am to revive any dead RP; due to my many experiences that lean heavily on the cynical side of the "Cynicism vs. Idealism" scale.

Again, so long as we flesh out the setting of the area a bit, it sounds ready to go. :] I may look up some information for ideas, if you don't mind.

Of course, if it's going to be the "classic" suburb, the area for the houses (at least) could be the "Cookie Cutter" type. Similar(or even the same as) to the Tranquility Lane's design.

Well ya, its just about small families in those "cookie cutter" suburbs who are trying to make it out alive.

There as one of the those, but the GM put it down because he lost internet.

I like Jonas' idea, except for the Warren part, don't you think those people would likely not go very far from the Vault? Seeing as they don't really have the stuff to survive out in the wastes

But Jonas, if your thinking of doing that, I would really like that idea

Jonas- Alright, sounds good. :] I kinda want to play a guy/girl that earns their living from ice cream trucks, now.

Do you need any help setting it up, or do you want to set it up at all? You're a great moderator, and it was your idea(and it sounds like that was your intention, anyhow), so it would be the best plan, but yeah. :]

Just for the record, this sounds fantastic.

I very much like the Idealism/Cynicism aspect too.

Might I suggest though...that we keep things at a much more basic level for a much longer time?

I think part of what made The Warren hard to keep going was that we introduced a lot of guns and a lot of soldiers early on. Let's maintain the...

OH MY GOD! WHAT HAVE WE DONE! and the struggle for survival a little longer.

If we do decide on Denver we'll have to figure out if we want it to be pre- or post- NCR.

"Post-War, Denver has been abandoned by civilized folk, mainly because of lingering radiation (which is gone by now) and huge packs of wild dogs that have taken over the town. Small groups of scavengers have holed up here from time to time or tried to loot some of the buildings but it has never been a concerted effort until now.

In 2251, a bunch of work-release NCR prisoners from Porter's gang have come here to salvage stuff as a way to buy off their sentences. Once there, they were to see about scavenging as many building supplies as possible, establishing a track outpost, and pave the way for the NCR occupation. "

I vote for just barely Post-War, before the "civilized" folk had abandoned it. I also vote that whoever, or whichever group, are in charge of regulating who gets in and what those who get in get...I vote that this person (or these persons) be very careful in regard to Weapons, Training, and Technology.

It's just my personal feelings, but I find these things much more interesting when they revolve more intensely around people than around tech/weapons/training.

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Why in the world would someone be doing an rp on china america?

Now thinking about it, you probrablably just told everyone what your doing, not preventing anyone from what your doing.

You should have done This Land RP instead of giving up on it.

I sent kind of an idea for an intro to Tickchtock since it's her idea.

I based it on the fallout wiki and on a quick look at a wiki on Denver Colorado.

Basis is...

Transportation and Energy companies are huge in Denver (true)
It takes a lot of workers to keep Transportation and Energy going (true)
Transportation and Energy are very important in war (true)
It takes a lot of food to feed a lot of workers (true)
Food is very important in war (true)
Food rationing is likely to follow (true)

The food rationing leads to rioting, the rioting leads to National Guard presence.
National Guard presence leads to arrests, those arrested have to be kept somewhere.
One of the transportation companies allows 16 floors of its headquarters to be used to keep arrestees.
The New Plague breaks out (this doesn't create ghouls, it either kills those infected or leaves them weak, apathetic, and sterile)
Atomic War hits.

In the wake of this war the survivors are angry and desperate. Simple homes are largely torn apart, but the skyscraqers remain, tauntingly.

Sounds like a cool intro, now you just need a plot, or an idea for the chars to meet and more detail and you could have an RP up.

Any suggestion?

I was thinking the plot would simply be the characters reactions to the setting.

A few characters could be National Guardsmen (selectively chosen), a few could be rich people in the skyscraqers, a bunch of people living in the streets, a few people infected with the New Plague.

Story to develop based on some characters leaving, some characters trying to survive in the streets, some trying to get into skyscraqers, some trying to keep others out of skyscraqers, and the National Guard trying to figure out where their loyalties lay now.

Yah sounds purty cool.

Two things I wanted to add, to whatever form this RP ends up taking...

Let's not immediately know that the entire country is ****ed.

If the town we start in isn't completely ruined (which I vote for since that will dramatically increase the number of NPCs) it would make sense for people to think...
"Hey...maybe it was just us that got hit,"

or some such, this could allow for the Propaganda idea to begin too.

Also...

We can have some level of contact between the WEALTHY people who OWN the skyscraqers and the companies (who are in The Vaults) and the RICH people who work and live (now) in the skyscraqers.

I actually like that idea quite a bit. :] Reminds me loosely of A Dog and His Boy, where they always believed there was a place not too far off that was better than the world they were stuck in.

Is that that Post Apocalyptic movie?

I haven't seen it if it is. Sounds good though, heard good things about it.