Not to mention a guy is sixy, as opposed to a girl. I mean common who really wants to see that blade girl who was killed in the first 2 minutes of oblivion as a man character? Really no one, now if Todd Howard were the main character then that'd be something to get people stoked :hubbahubba:

My own ideas would be far too ambitious and grand in scale for this generation of consoles or the next to handle.


Or... how about no song at all? Or song that isn't about the player-character?

My own ideas would be far too ambitious and grand in scale for this generation of consoles or the next to handle.


Or... how about no song at all? Or song that isn't about the player-character?

No song at all in a trailer? Does that mean no music too? Seriously? Sounds like a quite and boring trailer to me. About your "ideas" being "far too ambitious and grand in scale for this generation"... You speak as if you're years ahead of everyone; with the way you've been complaining about Bethesda's lack of female representation as the main character for Skyrim, I can see how that would affect your ideas... Nothing wrong with a trailer showing an example of a main character that just happens to be a male Dovahkiin.

An instrumental theme-song is an absolute must, that goes without saying. Even the current song without the English translation would've been fine if it sounded like random chanting in a fantasy language. I just cringe a little knowing what the lyrics to the song are. It's beyond cheesy.

And i'm not complaining so much about a lack of female representation as the main character of Skyrim, I'm complaining about the representation in general. This isn't Mass Effect. The game shouldn't need an example main character. If they want to show off characters in trailers, etc. then they should show off NPCs... not the player-character, who should be a completely blank slate.

Woah for some reason this post totally made me think about the Lion King movie...

Main character = Simba
Title of Dovahkiin = Title of King
Skyrim = Pride Rock
Alduin = Scar
Dragons = Hyenas
People of Skyrim = Residents of Pride Rock
Graybeards = Nala
Outside factions = Timon and Pumba

The main character/Simba is born to be Dovahkiin/King but runs off ignoring the troubles of Skyrim/Pride Rock after outside factions/timon and pumba turn out to be more appealing. The Graybeards/Nala call for the Main Character/Simba to be Dovahkiin/King and so he goes off to defeat Alduin/Scar and his Dragon/Hyena lackeys driving them from Skyrim/Pride Rock saving the people of Skyrim/residents of Pride Rock.

Don′t ask me why this popped into my head, it just happened :S Oh and I was sad that the best prophet in the whole world as far as I know (Tiber Septim who has freaking gods and the elder scrolls on his side telling him the future) tells you that 'YOU' must go and 'Close shut the jaws of Oblivion' as if he truly knows that 'you' are the one to do it by fate. I hope nothing like that happens in Skyrim.

I'd think the Greybeards would be more along the lines of Rafiki (sp?). But it is oddly similar it seems.

Can't really do that. They have to show the MC because the MC is what we would be staring at the majority of the game. It's not like they didn't do that with Oblivion. But my character look nothing like the guy in the Oblivion trailer anyway. The trailer showed what your character can be, not what the character had to be. They had to show spell casting, combat, and sneak attacks. They showed all three in the trailer, from the POV of the 1st person view which most of us would use.

I'm fine with them showing 1st person and even 3rd person examples of what a player-character could like in Skyrim. They should show multiple examples though to reflect the player's ability to have complete and utter control over who their character is. I just don't like how they're presenting 'Dovahkiin' as an actual character that looks like http://vygame.net/wp-content/uploads/4The-Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim-SoulDragon-575x342.jpg I mean they've even got him in the background image of these forums. Again, this is an Elder Scrolls game not Mass Effect. I don't need Skyrim's equivalent of Commander Shepard to get me started in the game.

There ARE multiple versions of the main character in the trailer, you haven't noticed? But they need a mascot for this game. A stereotypical character for the magazine covers.

What are you complaining about? It is next to impossible for even 10% of the players of Skyrim to even have the same character as the person depicted in the trailer. So how could Bethesda be pushing any sort of agenda?

On the other hand, if the background image of this forum is a female, we would get people complaining that Bethesda is trying to sell six appeal... It is art for this game, no one is telling you to do anything about your character.

There ARE multiple versions of the main character in the trailer, you haven't noticed? But they need a mascot for this game. A stereotypical character for the magazine covers.

What are you complaining about? It is next to impossible for even 10% of the players of Skyrim to even have the same character as the person depicted in the trailer. So how could Bethesda be pushing any sort of agenda?

On the other hand, if the background image of this forum is a female, we would get people complaining that Bethesda is trying to sell six appeal... It is art for this game, no one is telling you to do anything about your character.

Why not a dragon as the 'mascot' for the game... or one of the (hopefully) interesting NPCs?

Having a default character plastered on everything just doesn't seem necessary and sends out the wrong message about the game in my opinion. Sure, fans who are familiar with the series will know better - you can pick from 10 different races, pick the gender, and significantly alter the appearance of your character. But a lot of kids who are new to series will look at this and think "AWEOSME!!!111 a viking mass effect game! I get to play as a nord named doverking"

That just isn't what TES games are about, and shouldn't pretend to be either.

I'm well aware, but the concern for me is that knowing you're the Dovahkiin early on could severely reduce the variety in the main quest. A major portion of Morrowind's main quest involved learning about the prophecies, and confrontations with different factions and their efforts to stop or capitalise upon the Nerevarine's return. Sure, if you compartmentalize the quests they were mostly all random errands, but I would hate it if half of Skyrim's main quest consisted of "pass the trials, collect the magic artifacts" scenarios like Oblivion's did.

There should be some degree of study and an almost mystery-like element to the story, which was done fairly well in Morrowind as you read about the different prophecies and had to interpret them (or at least sit through NPCs' explanations about them) in order to proceed. Anybody remember the quest Mehra Milo and the Lost Prophecies? Not only was that easily (by my estimates) one of the most tense moments in the game's plot, but travelling to Holamayan and meeting with other individuals who gradually helped to guide you along your quest was a very well-executed, almost cinematic point in the main quest for me.

Oblivion had its great moments to, especially virtually all encounters with Mankar Camoran and the Mythic Dawn. But a lot of it also seemed pretty irrelevant and detached from the world itself and your personal character. "I'm going to this dungeon to grab this item because Martin said so." I guess in Morrowind lots of your actions (Hortator and Nerevarine) were dictated by prophecy as well, but at least they were a bit more intertwined with the game's factions.

Hopefully Skyrim's main quest won't be toned down due to additional effort being spent on factions and Radiant Story. Though hardly the most important part of the game, a great main quest can serve as a means to slowly introduce your character to more of the world's lore and characters in a natural faction.

Why not a dragon as the 'mascot' for the game... or one of the (hopefully) interesting NPCs?

Having a default character plastered on everything just doesn't seem necessary and sends out the wrong message about the game in my opinion. Sure, fans who are familiar with the series will know better - you can pick from 10 different races, pick the gender, and significantly alter the appearance of your character. But a lot of kids who are new to series will look at this and think "AWEOSME!!!111 a viking mass effect game! I get to play as a nord named doverking"

That just isn't what TES games are about, and shouldn't pretend to be either.

An instrumental theme-song is an absolute must, that goes without saying. Even the current song without the English translation would've been fine if it sounded like random chanting in a fantasy language. I just cringe a little knowing what the lyrics to the song are. It's beyond cheesy.

And i'm not complaining so much about a lack of female representation as the main character of Skyrim, I'm complaining about the representation in general. This isn't Mass Effect. The game shouldn't need an example main character. If they want to show off characters in trailers, etc. then they should show off NPCs... not the player-character, who should be a completely blank slate.

The whole Dovahkiin thing is stupid and cheesy anyway. I don't know what they were thinking. What if the player doesn't want to be dragon born?

Even the song refers to Dovahkiin as a he, which is stupid considering many people (including myself) intend to play as a female.

- Oh, by the way, you are a bastard related to the ruling bloodline, have fun.

Here is a youtube video of the original Oblivion trailer. Note the Imperial in silly armour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXWYWfFqlSw

If you want to complain, you are a decade too late.

The whole Dovahkiin thing is stupid and cheesy anyway. I don't know what they were thinking. What if the player doesn't want to be dragon born?

Even the song refers to Dovahkiin as a he, which is stupid considering many people (including myself) intend to play as a female.

I'm just going to try and ignore it completely. If the Greybeards call the name "DOVAHKIIN" into the wind, i'm not going to answer and will visit them when I choose to.

An instrumental theme-song is an absolute must, that goes without saying. Even the current song without the English translation would've been fine if it sounded like random chanting in a fantasy language. I just cringe a little knowing what the lyrics to the song are. It's beyond cheesy.

And i'm not complaining so much about a lack of female representation as the main character of Skyrim, I'm complaining about the representation in general. This isn't Mass Effect. The game shouldn't need an example main character. If they want to show off characters in trailers, etc. then they should show off NPCs... not the player-character, who should be a completely blank slate.