I know it's a bit stupid, but I find it really difficult playing Oblivion (with its "let's bake cookies with mehrunes dagon" atmosphere) now after knowing the lore on what happens between Oblivion and Skyrim.

Incase you didn't know, to quote UESP:

"Some time in the early Fourth Era, when the Third Empire had dissolved and all Tamriel was in chaos, Titus Mede captured the city with a mere 1000 men and crowned himself the first Emperor of a new dynasty."

Which is only a short while after the end of Oblivion. And then a hundred or so years later:

"In 4E 174, in the height of the Great War between the Aldmeri Dominion and the Empire, Thalmor troops burned the city in the infamous Sacking of the Imperial City. The Imperial Palace was burned, the White-Gold Tower was looted, and all manners of atrocities were carried out on the innocent populace by the vengeful Thalmor army."

I dunno. I know that happens a long time after, but Oblivion was always happy and worry free for me, that's why I liked it. I find it pretty sad playing now to just think of what happens to beautiful Cyrodiil over the next century.

Anyone else feel like this?

That is sad. I loved the Imperial City and the White Gold tower. I thought life would be happy and carefree once Martin saved everyone, but i suppose without a proper emperor or heir things would begin to fail around them.
I hope the Thalmor get theirs. I will enjoy kicking their ass if they are the topic of ES6 :biggrin:

I haven't gone back to Oblivion yet but I suspect I'll have a similar reaction when I do. I sometimes feel this way when I re-read a book or re-watch a movie that has a melancholy ending. There's a kind of double-vision about it for me: I am just as engaged in the story as before, but yet aware, as I was not the first time around, of what is coming. I think I would not like to be burdened with precognitive abilities in real life.

That can happen. You now feel like a time-traveler and want to warn people of the danger that is to come.

I cannot say I am really disturbed. I expected the Empire to completely dissolve shortly after the end of Oblivion. Its leadership was dead and its countryside was devastated. I could see no way it could stand. To be honest, it surprises me that there are still any traces of a Cyrodiilic Empire 400 years later, let alone forty.

Nor am I unduly surprised. I did and do not, however, expect the Empire to dissolve soon after the Crisis. In fact I expect it to prosper and even grow for some time afterward. There will of course be some signs of decay early on, but by and large things will go on as they have been for some time to come. My decrepit avatar, old as he is, will certainly not live to see the sacking of the Imperial City. Nor would he want to.

From an end-of-the-third-era perspective one is of course free to consider the Tamriel of Skyrim as the rantings of false prophets, a future that need not come to pass.

-Decrepit-

I just thought, the whole history of the 4th era is directly attributed to Jauffre taking the Amulet of Kings from you at the start.

If he wouldn't have taken it, it wouldn't have been stolen by the Mythic Dawn. If it hadn't have been stolen, we could have found Martin, went to the temple, job done.

Therefore, the loss of the Septim empire and bloodline, the sacking of the Imperial City and the fall of the empire to the Thalmor is entirely Jauffre's fault. Oops.

Is this safe to read? Haven't finished oblivions MQ or SI, read the first paragraph of the op and was reading a lot of stuff I didn't kno

Any way why would my oblivion character care what happens in cyrodil? Most of them are long gone by the time that happens...or they're murderous cat folk who prosper during chaotic times

True. If he had been just a bit more genre savvy, he would've said "On second thought, you take the amulet since you're the hero. I want you to deliver it to Martin personally." and the whole thing averted.

What ye say be true enough, but bear in mind that hindsight is 20/20*. In my avatar's case, the surprise is that the authorities trusted him as far as they did rather than that they didn't trust him far enough. He was, after all, at that time a rather seedy old sot fresh out of prison. His job resume consisted of but one entry, a rather nebulous personal endorsemant by a deceased Emperor. Nothing in his pre Crisis past gave any assurances that this was a man with whom to hang hopes of Empire. Of his many future accomplishments there was as yet no inkling. He himself was as surprised as anyway by his miraculous transformation from failed mediocrity to a force to be reckoned with.

Who can blame Jauffre for acting as he did? He was wrong, but twas an honest mistake derived from information available at the time.

None of this in any way denies that it might indeed have been better had Jauffre placed more blind faith in a half senile elderly parolee.

-Decrepit-

* This is of course not always true, but it's a darn fine quote.

Think of it this way; all the people ya met and care for that isn't an elf is already dead by the time the event occur. That said...


Nope. Same goes when part of Morrowind blew up, the Argonia invaded the scatter remains, and those that are left immigrant to Skyrim. Events like these just make things more interesting rather remaining in status quo.

Having read the OP I′m still not sad. To me that may even only happen in an alternate universe (or frequency), not within the Cyrodiil my character lives. Besides he doesn′t care about the empire anyway. As an elf he lives a very long life so he may even have a chance witnessing all that but if he does, he′ll just join forces with Karl the Northener on Solstheim in hunting down werewolves

Not really sad, but more aware, sober and reticent for me personally. I haven't returned to Oblivion "yet" after my first 85 hrs in Skyrim, but I will have a new appreciation for the rantings of Olaf, Agnette and other Nords in the game when I do. I will approach content that I have yet to experience in Oblivion with a new and greater perspective. I will also have a greater appreciation for my statue in Bruma, and my character's importance and role in the events of the empire as a whole.

I haven't experienced this sadness the OP speaks of. Not really, but it could possibly happen. :shrug: When I recently went back to spend time with Lady Saga a couple weekends ago, I was just happy to be back in a land I know well. Well, kinda. Lady Saga's gonna be trying to explore all the regions of Cyrodiil I never got around to seeing.

...anyways, don't wanna get too far off topic there. .....:whistling:

I haven't been back to Oblivion yet, but I already feel a little sadness for Cyrodiil. Not because of the lore reasons, but because everytime I play Skyrim, I'm reminded that my characters from Oblivion would be dead now.

So I guess when I do fire up Oblivion again, instead of fully enjoying my characters I'll end up wondering about their deaths and if they will be remembered. How bleak.

Hmmm... Is everybody here looking at the same Cyrodiil I am?

The Empire was already crumbling before the Crisis. There are ruined forts everywhere, bandits control the roads, barely held in check by the Legion Riders. Cities are walled, and the various Counts and Countesses are caught up in their own petty interests.

Wouldn't those ruined forts have been created way back when the Ayleid cities were actually newer and being lived-in though? I'm actually asking because I've always assumed this is how it is. Probably I'm wrong.

Sure, they're old. My point is that the empire has shrunken back to a few walled cities and villages, crime is rampant outside the walls, and the empire is powerless to even keep the roads safe.

The Tamriel of the first four Elder Scrolls games (during the lifetime of Uriel Septim VII) is similar to Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. Civilization was hanging on in places, but law and order had broken down. This is not an empire in its glory years; it's an empire in decline.

True, true, that makes sense. Plus, add to the fact that it seems a lot of townsfolk, officials, and guards are in denial. "long live the empire!" "It's ...it's YOU! The Hero of Kvatch! This is quite an honor"....they all say

once our character finishes the MQ or KotN especially, they seem to get more relaxed. They rarely actively go out looking to diminish any scourges which occupy the lands, yet it's still out there. That's our job. It's like "c'mon guys...there's still evil to be found! gimmee a hand!" but they're all so civil, talking about mudcrabs and whatnot.

Dunno if that makes sense

With 1,000 men, he could take over all of Skyrim, and its hordes of NPC's...

As an aside I will mention, for what it's worth, that thanks to the glory of PC mods my avatar actually witnessed the confrontation in which then General Mede defeated the opposition. It occurred in Weye Village outside Wawnet Inn. It was of course scaled down to meet game-engine limitations...no more than ten actors per side if that. This occurred long ago in my current play-through. Memories are vague. I no longer recall if my avatar took sides, though I believe he functioned as no more than an unbiased observer from the Council. I do recall that, Weye being his adopted home town, he was more concerned that no innocents came to harm. (They did not.) Victory in hand, Mede then marched to the Imperial Palace, where he was proclaimed Emperor.

I failed to capture an image of the battle, but did get one of http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn303/Decrepit_Waste/ESIV%20Oblivion/DawnofanEra.jpg. General / Emperor Mede sits on the throne wearing Imperial Dragon Armor, flanked by Blades. Councilor Ocato and my decrepit avatar (also in Imperial Dragon armor) stand before him. Members of the Guard line the hall.

Sadly, the mod isn't sophisticated enough to to allow any noteworthy post-coronation Emperor related events to occur. Either that or I've not been able to trigger them.

This is the same mod, BTW, that provides my avatar the opportunity to officially patrol Cyrodiil's major thoroughfares and collect taxes-due as a card-carrying representative of the Council and Legion.

Oh yeah....thanks to yet another mod, each Middas the kindly folk of rebuilt Kvatch put surviving captured Mythic Dawn agents and sympathizers on trial-by-combat in the city arena. By sheer coincidence it is Middas in my Cyrdiil now. What's more, my avatar will be in the Kvatch area, returning from a patrol to Anvil. That being the case he considers it his duty as Champion of Cyrodiil and Hero of Kvatch to present himself to the authorities and conduct a number said trials. He actually finds the whole thing repulsive, and most assuredly doesn't go out of this way to be near Kvatch on Middas. He justifies participation only because he offers prisoners an honorable contest and a quick, clean end. That's more than they are likely to get from the local populous.

The point of all this, if there is any, is that at least for me the post-Crisis government of Cyrodiil remains something of a going concern.

-Decrepit-

Wow, this sounds really cool.

This is it, exactly.