I mean, sure, I look forward to fighting Alduin, and I'm sure I'll hate that [Censored] dragon by the end, but I doubt he'll have a lot of personality. Anyone else want another more "Mankar Camoran" type character? I want an antagonists that seems truly evil. It seems like Alduin's just doing his job.

It's a good thing Bethesda didn't reveal everything at once.

I'm guessing there'll probably a secondary antagonist.. evil pawns and such, there usually is. I suppose there wasn't in Morrowind but the Sixth house sort of played that role, despite not being a character.

Are you actually implying that Mankar Cameron actually had any personality whatsoever? Talk about a stereotypical bad guy.
"I'm angry and superior, you die"
So much personality. :rolleyes:

If there is then then I don't want to know about it until I am playing the game. Something like Mankar Camoran wouldnt work though. Everyone is going to be killed by Alduin. No one is allied with the dragons, it makes no sense.

Would be kinda nice to have some kind of rival dragon hunter, although I kinda doubt it

Well, it kinda makes me think of a very deranged cult, even more so than the Mythic Dawn. They might think if they serve Alduin and help him fufill his destiny they might be brought back into the next world, which they might believe will be superior and "without sin" or something.

I just want to be able to have a couple conversations with Alduin throughout the MQ. Then I wouldn't mind.

I thought Mankar Camoran was a pretty good secondary antagonist. He could've showed up more often but his omnipresent voice in Paradise was pretty epic. I think there is a pretty good chance of a secondary antagonist or maybe Alduin isn't even the main antagonist and he is just a puppet of someone else (Highly doubt that but would be a cool twist).

Secondary antagonist? Well, there is a civil war in Skyrim. I imagine you'll have to choose either pro-Skyrim or pro-empire nords.

Also, everyone may think "Why would we want Alduin to destroy the world?" Well, let me tell you, there's plenty of people who do, the mer specifically (save for dunmer) and maybe the Redguards (they have a confusing mythology). You see, to them, they view Mundus (the universe mortals live in) as a prison, and the only way out of the prison is to have it destroyed. To the mer, they see Alduin as Auriel, the defender and liberator of the mer who will destroy Mundus and liberate his faithful from the clutches of the "trickster", Lorkhan (who is known as Shor to the nords and Shezarr to the Cyrodiils).

In the view of men, they see Mundus as a testing ground and Shor's divine mercy. A place created to allow for the lesser spirits (mortals) to ascend higher than the gods before the creation of Mundus.

His voice was only great because it was voiced by a great actor. Kind of like the Emperor sounded cool, but had absolutely 0 personality as a character. And if he did have even a slight personality, it was that of an 80 year old man with Dementia going senile.
Mankar Cameron sounded cool sure, but as far as his character goes, you really couldn't have gotten anymore stereotypical than him.

Finally some re playability in the MQ...hopefully.

This.

I here people say "stereotypical" to describe some things but what stereotype does he fill? A crazy cult leader? He wasn't really crazy. Misinformed, yes, but not really crazy. It's not really a stereotype when he wasn't crazy, just aspiring for power and believed himself higher than others. I really didn't see anything wrong with his personality either, but I don't require someone to be shouting hysterically and maniacally to make for an evil personality. He definitely sold the true believer feel in his sermons.

Frankly, I think the civil war will spawn some other antagonists.

would be great, two epic main boss enemies ( like another dagon type enemy i mean) and you have 3 choices for the mq; fight antagonist 1, or 2, or try to defeat both which would be super hard but would result in a very heroic status. thats what I interpreted this topic to mean any ways. ftw.

I'd put Mankar Cameron in the crazy cult leader stereotype, yeah.
What makes him stereotypical is the fact that he's the same manic cult leader in every series that has a manic cult leader.
What makes Mankar Cameron special?
What makes Mankar Cameron stand out from other manic cult leaders?
There is literally nothing about him that stands out. He has no personality, his personality is a manic cult leader. Thus I say he's stereotypical.
That's just my opinion, however. You could think he has amazing personality. :shrug:

I find his views on Tamriel fascinating to listen to tbh, I know he's not extremely reliable, what with the misnaming of various realms and such, but you can't help but look at the big picture and wonder what if Tamriel is just another daedric plane of oblivion. His knowledge makes him an adequate secondary antagonist in my book.

Anyone else remember Dram from Redguard? You know the spin off action adventure game they made. He was an assassin working for the Empire and served as secondary villain in that game. Totally go for someone like that.

Depends on what you mean. I don't wanna have togo fight the elite four just for gary oak to show up

The Sixth House was about as deranged as it gets. Deformed, too.

So the you're saying the Dragonborn can chose to not fight Alduin, when he's prophesized to do just that? How can you ignore a world eater?

Niiiice. :thumbsup:

I personally found his "Nirn is a realm of Oblivion speech" pretty awesome, and certainly an interesting theory.

I'm not looking for personality. I just find it easier to hate people.

I dunno, Mankar and his group of cultists are pretty much trying to accomplish what Alduin aims to do, only they used Mehrunes Dagon as the vehicle of destruction instead of Alduin. This is likely due to the Covenant still being intact, preventing the Preserver act as the Destructor, and that Mehrunes Dagon has a reason to destroy Mundus, other than he's the prince of destruction.

With Dagoth Ur, he saw the false tower, and thought it true. The dreams of a dead and mad god was made manifest, and desired to spread his nightmare he mistaken as a dream through the second Numidium.

As for Mankar's speech, he was somewhat correct. Mundus is the realm of Lorkhan, but it was made for mortals, not his own selfish desires (unless you were to ask a mer). He's half correct that Mundus is Mehrunes Dagon's birthright. The part he missed is that it's Mehrunes Dagon's birthright to try and completely annihilate it. And to the mer, by destroying Mundus, he'll liberate the mer from what they perceive as a prison, and the world will be sent back to the Dawn. His beliefs, while having some mannish tones to it, aims for what most mer desire, the destruction of their prison, Mundus, and to be liberated and go back to the Dawn Era.

Personally, I find the mer to be nothing more than the old geezer on the corner of the road who still complains about gas being two pennies. They want to go back to what they believed to have been a sweet and awesome past, and are consumed with false notions of nostalgia. They refuse to go forwards, and that shall be their undoing.

TBH, I'm seeing a lot of similarities between the OB and Skyrim main quest. It almost seems as if it's the exact same thing with different game pieces. I really hope I'm wrong.