Difficulty isn't synonymous with achievement. If you send a letter by pony exspress instead of by E-mail you're not achieving anything greater, you're just sending and receiving messages a lot slower for whatever trivial reason you have for doing it.Some like the traditional/old way, some prefer the new way. Sorry.

Ahhh yes, but you do realize that there are many many more people who would ask why you seek entertainment in a video game? Get outside and enjoy life, have fun accomplishing tasks in your life, don't seek it in a video game.

Sometimes I cheat, sometimes I don't. In a game like GTA... I cheat like a son of a gun. Why not, it's not a great game like Skyrim, it's just amusing.


I must say though. I also find it amusing that so many people in the Skyrim CHEATS, Hints, and Spoilers forum are so against people... cheating. Perhaps we're all in the wrong forum, eh? Is it against forum guidelines to insult those who cheat in the cheat forum?

Don't get me wrong I cheat all the damn time, my posts do make me come across a bit like that Heimskr (whatever his name is) in Whiterun preaching against cheating. All I attempting to say was why I don't enjoy that particular glitch. But for example if I run into a puzzle and I'm stuck, I don't spend two hours trying to figure the damn thing, after ten minutes I want to move on so I reach for the iPad which is permanently on the wiki.

But levelling happens extremely quickly so I don't have any reason for using levelling glitches, I'm always powerful enough as its most often an easy game.

To those good souls I would say I seek entertainment in a videogame because I enjoy playing them. To be plain and simple.

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I didn't even know you could cheat in GTA?, I could have used some cheats for those little flying helicopter missions I was stuck on them for days if not weeks.

Have I insulted anyone?, I guess you would have to ask Haize, I certainly didn't feel like I was being offensive and that was not my intent.

I can't stand reading sarcastic or abusive posts (just so low) so I try and watch what I'm typing myself, somethings do slip through my screening though.

I'm sure I did.. maybe I'm thinking of another of the gang style games.

But it's the same thing. We all seek our entertainment in different ways. Not everyone will understand your way of having fun. So why bother?

I think the only thing I've done in Skyrim is when I reached level 30something I built a bunch of iron daggers and got my smithing up. Not really a cheat, people in Whiterun were probably just commenting on that crazy sonofab that was making 20 daggers and then carrying all of them 10 feet to sell them and then right back to the forge again.

Mmmmm, I don't think I said that you insulted anyone. After commenting on your point of how people have fun in the game (I can't remember the exact comment and need to get moving so not scrolling for it) I then stated how many people in the cheats forum have a negative viewpoint of people who cheat in the game. That is rather funny, is it not?

everyone has their own playing style and goals.

as long as we all enjoy the game...who cares.


And.... the shout / talos amulet thing does last.

just stop by a shine to talos every now and then.

I'm in this section all the time, funny thing is I've never not once actually found out about a cheat/glitch from here, I normally see them on YouTube etc so I only come into this section to have a browse about, not really to find any new glitches or whatever.

It lasts. The source of the glitch is that pretty much all enchantments / stone effects / etc are Restoration effects. Putting on the Amulet of Talos, for example, is equivalent to casting a Restoration spell that has an indefinite duration... and if you happen to have "Fortify Restoration" in effect when doing so, well, the effect is boosted. Indefinitely.

Interesting. Does that mean if you have a super charged restoration reduction piece of gear and use the amulet of talos, you can also have shouts with no cool-down? Or it only with the potions?

Only with potions, because potions boost the EFFECT of restoration. "Restorationa reduction" just reduces the casting cost... which is zero in the case of using the Amulet of Talos. Zero reduced by (big number)% is still just zero.

Well then I must be really proud haha.

I'm level 76 now and:

I helped a lot of people

I started Skyrim in Riverwood and later Whiterun, improving my alchemy (took time to harvest lots of ingredients) and smithing (took my pickaxe and went mining in lots od places) as well as enchanting (disenchanted all items I could find). I travelled all around, killing all kind of opponents. I had no real spells because until level 25 I never looked in UESPwiki. I was on my own. I crafted, as warrior, good gears and good weapons. No, I didn't go to Sky forge. Didn't join Companions, didn't join Mages Guild. Check that period and you wont's see any trace of me on the Forum. I did not want any help but find all by myself. Hard way. All kind of hints, glitch and cheating were unknown to me. I was visiting caves, dungeons, fighting hard and make a lot of quest helping people.

Then around 25 I decided to go to Winterhold College and bought a few spell. I became Archmage and decided that it was time for me to kill my first dragon. So did I.

Around 60 I decided to join the Companions, just after finishing the main quest. Made all kind of quests for them in places already cleared.

Then I started to look and post on this forum. I saw a lot of things I was completely ignorant. So I tried as I was at the end of that game.

At level 75 one can do what he wants. Better than starting a new game.

I hardly used archery and destruction spells. I'm a warrior and I always fight with my dagger, blade or axe. Crafted and enchanting by myself. I was wearing glass armor as soon a I got the perk for it and kept it until recently. Now I have dragonscale.

I put resist fire, resist frost, fort. health, fort. magicka on my gears and fort. health on a necklace and a ring. Until 60 I still had Gauldur Amulet.

Now as I have 100 everywhere almost, my only solution to upgrade to level 76 is:

Level my archery that was around 40 and then 80 (now) with the help of Aela. I almost never used archery it's true. But when dragons fly around cities one has to use it before making land and kill it with a sword. Right?

My Sneak is 39 and my Pickpocket is the lowest, 20, as I used it once only. To help a child in Whispering Door quest.

To gain more points to reach 76 I want to upgrade my archery skill. But from 80 to 100 there is no trainer to help me.

Master trainers train you only until 90 but I read that Niruin can train you further.

Now you say that anyone can buy Master training in archery, not only thieves!! SO: Quickly give me the name of this Master trainers. Please..

Training with trolls is like buying 5 lessons in training. The effort of buying training is less than fighting trolls. Right? You never bought training?

And please tell me where to go for my archery training after 80. Thank you in advance

You talk of playing GOOD but I respect all kind of players. Some like DB and Thieves Guild. Good for them.

This is a video game and anybody plays as he feels like.

You should also not be proud if you carefully ground up your skills, or if you got to a certain level playing dead is dead, or if you never grind but just let it happen naturally, or in fact anything having to do with playing a video game. Skyrim is not feeding starving orphan children or bringing world peace. It's a game. The only reason to play it is because you enjoy it. If you enjoy any of these things, that's spectacular. I'm all in favor of people enjoying themselves. But please, don't pretend to be more virtuous than others who don't enjoy them. Even lawn care has more point to it - at least a nice lawn is unlikely to attract rats. Playing a game in a hard way rather than an easy way is not a virtue.

If you won't go to the Master Archery trainer that's your problem, dont ask me to provide you with an alternate Master trainer thats more to your liking when you know full well there is only one master trainer in the game. I don't understand how you could say that it took less buying training than doing so with Trolls, I earn money from looting and I would need to clear a few dungeons before I had enough to buy some high level training, certainly takes me longer than levelling from Trolls.

Don't get me wrong though I'm not trying to put you down for levelling this way, I did all these type of levelling tricks in my early characters, I'm just pointing out that I don't anymore, not because I believe it's not a moral, true or legit way way to level, more like because I see no need for it now. My first few goes through we're on default difficulty, for my latter I switched to Master, the difference is night and day for levelling. I level up now like a rocket ship, I presume it's because the enemies on master are no harder, they just have massive amounts of health now. For my archer build, I have around 30 hours on the clock and archery is at 97, I've still got most of the quests to do so no need for a trainer. You don't need archery for dragons, mages have long range spells, and for those who don't use long range attacks you have the shout to make dragons land.

But please layout your posts in a more structured way, with paragraphs, it makes it difficult to read when you lay it out that way.

I would certainly feel a nice sense of achievement if I had got through the game playing DID, seeing as the one time I tried that I fell off a cliff face after five hours.

Your preaching to the converted here. I wasn't pretending to be more virtuous than anyone, I was simply saying that levelling with trolls is nothing to be proud about and listing some things that I would consider worthy things to be proud about. I was not saying that I considered playing a videogame in a difficult way was a virtue, you must have misinterpreted my post if you thought that was my intention.

Rats - if you don't look after your lawn it will attract Rats?, no-one would throw rubbish all over their own lawn would they?.

Yes but at lower level you can level up quickly. Try to level up from 65 to 70 and then to 70 to 75 when all your skills are at 100. How can you level up? Using a very few skills that you almost never used or don't like to use. You mention "few characters". An archer and a warrior. So I suppose (it's a supposition not knowing the facts) that you never reached high levels like 65 and more. Because I suppose you would agree that it's pretty hard to level up at those levels. First try and see by yourself.

I do agree, it's become increasingly slower to level (your overall level that is) when you reach fifty, you were spot on as my highest character is at 55. One of my flaws is I get bored with my characters after maybe 60 hours so I always start a new one, must be on my 9th now I think.

@ Cloysterpete: I close the discussion here. You contradict yourself. With my Gen. Stat. I tried to show you that I played as well as I could in a good way. Maybe once I'll become a thief or maybe an assassin. But for now I don't feel it.

Good luck in your play.

whats the fun of 1 hitting everything from early in the game? If there's no challenge there's no fun imo but to each their own. I only used this to enable my mage to free cast magic but it doesn't make him any stronger, especially since i wear robes and play on master...i get 1-shotted by most things

I don't intend to blow up my game with this as I'm pretty happy with the balance between my gear and enchantments and difficulty right now; I am only interested in the amulet of Talos thing. I would like to try it with one iteration of fortify restoration (made with my fortify alchemy gear).
To each his own...

How?, levelling is extremely fast but you are completely right when you say it slows down a lot when you get to fifty. At lot of that is because you've max your core skills at a hundred so to level further you need to start using skills you've not specialised in or you grind skills up. I try and use non core skills when I'm travelling about to defeat weaker enemies, works ok I guess.

It makes sense if you think about it, enemies stop scaling at fifty so you have no real need to go past fifty yourself, as you certainly don't need the points in health etc at that stage, maybe you want the perks from going higher I dunno.

Now someone will probably go and jump to the conclusion (someone does this everytime I post) that I'm criticising people who want to level upto 81. For the record one of my characters probably will go all the way to level 81, don't know which one, maybe one I've not even started yet.

To each to their own, yes, it's not harming anyone.

While I am not keen on this restoration glitch, I am even more put off by people who police other people's playstyle and using this opportunity attempt to gain pride from it, then to name it as an open discussion is even more embarrassing.

Well I made the fortify restoration potion, took it, and equipped the amulet of talos; however it is still at 20%, in both Active Effects and my inventory.
Then I tried a potion while it was equipped, then un-equipped the amulet and re-equipped it, still no difference.
And then..... I forgot to test a shout.

I dislike glitches in generral, there's no fun for me in playing a game where you can't lose