Um, any danger of you not attributing quotes to me that I didn't make?

Although I like New Vegas, it just didn't give across the same feel as Fallout 3.

I mean, its hard to describe, but I felt in awe as I approached Rivet City from alone the river bank, having to dodge bullets from Super Mutants hanging out along the route.

Although, when I did see Freeside and New Vegas I was quite impressed, but it just didn't capture me as well as FO3....still a damn good game though!

Meh, only Tenpenny Tower was aweing to me, but that's because it gleamed in the sun like a marble pillar of pre-war civility. Rivet City is a scapheap.

Given how unsatisfactorily it was implemented in NV, that was definitely no bad thing.

Sounds better old boy, I honestly felt like questioning you on your view myself but I can say that that is most definately my own too .

Nothing was spectacular to me in Fallout 3.

A town full of kids......

WHAT?!

I'm talking about consequences of not fulfilling quests, not the faction hostility caused by killing someone. . Actual quests, you are told to do something and don't do it. There should be consequences for this.

The assasination squads were not reliable and had a high chance of being bugged in any game, they were poorly implemented. Powder gangers assassin teams, what a joke, as if they would care enough to do anything like that. Also when someone in the game gives you a warning that if they find something out, (which happened to be true at the time) they will kill you. It should have been followed up. When another faction warns if they catch you alone they will do the same, they should carry out their threat.

I don't particularly care who says things I disagree with. It's the content of those posts that I take issue with.

That, and I'm too lazy to type out everyone's name.

In fact, better look out, because I'm doing it again!



What quests are you referring to in particular? I mean, the only one that comes to mind is Hardin, and if you don't support him, there's not an awful lot he can do.



I should think that, after single-handedly murdering everyone in the NCRCF, they would be angry enough to hunt me.



What examples are you referring to?

The consequences for your actions in quests, quests that you fail having implications for a far-reaching consequence, are shown in the ending slides.

So the old boat in the gray world FO3 struck you with awe more that seeing the vibrant lights of Vegas in the wasteland night?

The ending slides show you the consequences

This is what I mean

Then there is npc threats, these are not followed up. If they were to carry out these threats it would make the game so much more interesting. Why even put it in the game if it's not going to happen.

Powder Gangers are really not the sort to risk their lives trying to kill someone who manages to wipe out their base and kill all their faction, they're more the lets get out of here sort. So I disagree there.

Why put something in the game if its not going to happen, why make requests of such a vital nature (the fort) if its not followed up. and The bos do not follow up their threat after this conversation at all.

I like new vegas I just think they could have made certain areas a lot more of an interesting challenge. Am I the only one who wants a challenge in their game, excitement and danger. To speak to an npc and think I'd better be careful instead of thinking yeah yeah all talk and no action.

When you try to leave after he gives you those instructions the gate keeper tells you that you can't leave with the platinum chip

Maybe for you, but they shot at me when i was walking to Jacobstown.

what are you talking about, the FO3 story had lot of epic moments throughout the game, the gnr battle with the behemoth and sarah lyons, going into vault, the enclave showing up at project purity while you're in the pipe, going into vault 87 for the geck then getting kidnapped, taking back the purifier with the robot, the enclave showing up all over the map, going to adams air base, those were all parts of the main story and there was plenty of action, drama and suspense, the only time anything cool happens in new vegas is at the very end of the game at the dam.

Yeah, epic memorable story, for you my friend, for you.

ABSOLUTELY! Recently replayed GotY FO3 and was amazed by all the the non-mapped spots and intersting random encounters I found compared to the worthless-other-than-fast-travel wastes of time in NV.

Dungeon crawls in FO3 seemed monotonus until NV. On my last playthroug I enhoyed most of them

All that happened to me in the GNR fight was, the BoS got killed, Sarah getting repeatedly knocked around the courtyard unconscious, all the while me plunking away at it from the second story of the inaccessible building I killed it myself with a hunting rifle with out taking one hit. Looted the bodies of the BoS and promptly sold it for some caps. Nicely done BoS! XD Wow you get to see a Vertibird land from the pipe yay! XD Vault 87 was just like any other Vault you go into pretty much in FO3. The ambush was lame, mostly because it happens so slowly I could have avoided it easily. Plus plot hole! How does the Enclave get in? They didn't go through Lamp light or all the kids would have been dead, you can get in the front gate as there mutants and super high rads! Optimus was just over the top cheese. In my game he even killed Lyons pride Sarah only surviving due to immortality. Way to go BOS again! I never got any of the DLC since they break the game even further.

Vault 34, 11, and 22 beat 87 and any other Vault in FO3 hands down. The fight for Vault 3 was just as much "action" as fighting your way out of the purifier to me, since Enclave took just as much effort to kill. Cracking the Fortification hill was way more fun that watching optimus make his slow walk, atleast I was doing something in that fight. Killing Ceaser and hearing Boone say "Thumbs down, you son of a [censored]!" was 10x better. Making Yes man throw Oliver off the dam was another one. Also tricking Oliver into thinking I was helping him until reveling I'm backing house at the very end was http://tangentgirls.com/gallery/d/13999-1/ScreenShot34.jpg.

I haven't even finished a game supporting legion yet too!

I wanted the same thing for Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins but i got Mass Effect 2 and Dragon age 2 which was definately NOT what i wanted. I think it is the common mistake of developers in that never ending quest to make a game that appeals to the widest audience, which is counter productive. What made you successful was core elements of game play, when you remove the core elements of game play as Bioware did with the "Twos" you may appeal to a different segment of the market. This however comes at a cost to the core fans who made you successful in the first place, like a dog chasing its tail it looks busy enough, but in the end it gets no where and is dizzy and tired. You loose some fans and gain some, which is not a big deal until you realize that you start the drift from a pond where you are one of the big fish, to the ocean where you are bait. So unlike Bioware lets hope that Bethesda remembers its roots, if so this should be a good time for them as on of the few true RPG game makers that has not sold out yet. I hope that they stay true, namely player choice a strong mod community and the openness of the mod ability, if so Skyrim should be worth every penny.

I never played FO1 or 2, and the only Bethesda game i played was Oblivion GOTY but seeing what Bethesda allowed the player and the mod community to do i ran full tilt into FO3 and FONV including all DLC for all. I am anticipating Skyrim and was also anticipating Hunted i am on the fence about Hunted as the PCs are static and unchangable but as quality games ARE REALLY hard to find i may ignore my reservations and go for it. It is not money that concerns me nor does hardware requirements if i need an upgrade to play the game so be it, if a game is good i will do this stuff no question if not as is the case with DA2 i will wait to catch it on a Steam "blow out the dissappointments" sale.

Back on topic i thought NV had personality maybe not as much as FO3, but a bit more than Oblivion, I think i like FONV for what it brings and that is the hardcoe mode. The game has so much more personality and consequence than the others because the player has more choices. Companions, do you use them and risk loosing them? If you do use them how, as pack mules or let them be free and deal with the consequence of thier potential demise. Drinking from a toilet because your suffering dehydration sickness and the whole yuk factor. Crafting and the wonderful depth it provides to both player build, environmental concerns, and tactics as in do i really need to go in there?

Sorry bout the wall of text i do feel it is important to frame what one says in the propper context to avoid misunderstandings.
Asai

In New Vegas theirs sup-post to be allot of people a vibrant city, and towns but it really didn't seem like it.I got the comic book that came with the special edition, and on it the front and back of the comic cover theirs a drawing of the strip that is filled with probably 100 people doing all sorts of different things just in this one little peace of the strip, I don't know the number for sure because i'm not going to count all, But this cover was the first thing I saw when I opened the box, I thought the game was going to be like that or thats really what they where going for with this game.And I thought their idea was F*$#&^n great. But they really couldn't pull it off. I'm not dumb I know their was no way they could ever put all those people on the strip at the same time,but giving them more lines other then, "this heat out here make me wish for a nuclear winter" would had help some. I HATE!!!! that line :gun: . But really don't think it was Obsidians fault it was more of the fault of the situation they where in. That made NV what it is.If only they could had done the game exactly the way they wanted it to be it would have been great other then ok.

I get the feeling a lot of the "anti-FO3" crowd would be cheering it on had it been written by Obsidian, and would be lamenting FNV as a failure if it had been written by Bethesda. Total intransigence. "There was no part of FO3 that was good". Ridiculous. Adds nothing to the forums, especially given that half the threads become poisoned with this crap.

Is it too hard to admit that you enjoyed all the Fallout games in different ways? I'm certainly not too proud to admit it.

I have enjoyed them all. All have their good points... and their bad! And yes, I thought Optimus Prime was fun. Big giant laser beam shooting robot rampaging through a ruined Washington? Hell yeah!

Maybe I just don't take my gaming as seriously as some of you.... :dry:

I agree in my opinion they both have their goods and bads.