I'm going to have to report you to the mods. I'm sorry, but you aren't allowed to talk sense on this forum. I hope this teaches you a lesson, and in the future you indulge in partisan, contentious subjectivity like the rest of us.

I don't take many games seriously, but I do Fallout. Why? Because Fallout 1 and 2 demanded seriousness. The world felt so real, it demanded attention.

Fallout 3 broke the realistic world and turned it on its head. I gave Fallout 3 no seriousness at all.

Fallout New Vegas a major step back to the originals, but not close enough. I gave it plenty of seriousness and attention, but not nearly to the level of the amazing originals.

BTW, if Fallout 3 was written by Obsidian, I WOULD [censored] HATE IT!! If FNV was written by Bethesda, I would love it. I love Bethesda, can't you get that?

Really? Wow, no offense but I don't believ you. Every time I played that part I nearly died and used up a ton of ammo. Even on lvl 20. In mine the Brotherhood of Steel handled it about as well as anybody in PA can handle a gaitn muntant. They got into any position that was somewhat protected and fied as many rounds itno it aspossible before it turned to them. Every time I played it Sarah Lyons stayed in in the second floor of that building open firing on the mutants.



I looted the dead too... Only four corpses and got a decent amount of caps at Craterside Supply. The Vertibird thing was badass simply because it's the arrival of an enemy that's extremely unknown. Another awesome moment was when your dad killed himself to save you and you had to fight your way out of Project Purity. Vault 87 was WAY different from any other Vault. There were freaks of nature and FEV every where. Tell me where to find these 'other vaults' because I still haven't found everything in F3.



It took like three seconds for them to take care of you, the only thing I think they should have done different is that your companions should've ended up at Raven's Rock too or have been killed. I doubt that you or the fastest man alive could've avoided that capture. The Enclave probably just marched through Little Lamplight and ignored the liitle brats yeeling at them and shooting at them with their weak weapons. I don't think they were even worth the Enclave's ammo.




Well your game is bugged. In my game he only killed Enclave troops and I managed to kill five or six before it did. And you should play the DLCs, Mothership Zeta and Broken Steel is the only one I found bordering ridiculous.



Opinion.



I sold the game before I could join any other side except the NCR, due to benefits of them controlling everything.

Not trying to start a flame war just showing the ridiculousness of the comment.

Really you don't believe me? try it your self, start that encounter, then run back into the school building and up to the second floor the Behemoth can't hit you and will go right for the BoS. Since he can't fit through the door your 100% safe. As a matter of fact, my very first try at that encounter I skipped ahead and so Sarah wasn't even there! My second run was when she appeared.

Enclave was a known factor to anyone that played FO2. I thought Daddy killing himself was pretty lame actually. pretty pointless too since they get the project right back up, and he doesn't even kill the Autumn. My game wasn't bugged, the pride moved to attack the Enclave like normal right up to point blank range like they usually do. So took damage from the nukes Optimus threw. So all died. Easily avoided. See the grenade fall back pedal, however the game freezes you as soon as the grenade drops. Really? you think the ENCLAVE would not defend themselves against mutants attacking them?

Well if we go by what west, and a few others have been saying, it's infact not "opinion" it's hard fact! XD

I don't really remember that encounter well, but I do think that my first (and only) encounter at GNR, saw the Behemoth die rather fast to melee attack (my PC's); Shortly thereafter I met Threedog and got annoyed with him enough to drop several land mines around his cot while he slept.

Discussing again?

Can this over someday?

Okay, here I go

Fallout 3 is a dungeon crawler rather than a RPG, with shooter elements over RPG ones, and a giant robot who do everything for you

Yeah, great personality here :spotted owl:



True fact, The fanbase is unpleasable as always

Opinion, what he and the others says, despite using the SAME argument again :whistling:

I had the same experince also, you could pretty much just run around and wait for Sarah to kill the monster.

It's really not about who holds the pen, but what is done with it.

exactly. is it really so hard to imagine that we care about quality? They seem to think we hate Bethesda for being Bethesda, when very few of us hate Bethesda, rather we hate the way they handled Fallout 3.

Exactly. I am a Bethesda fan, but they, in my opinion, butchered the Fallout series.

well there's a big anti bethesda group here on the forum and you're prob gonna be even more dissapointed with the next bethesda fallout game, cause their gamemkaing style and philosophy is a lot different than obsidians, two diametricaly opposed ways of making games, obsidian goes for the "believable" and "plausible" which is boring as hell and makes for a crummy environment and bethesda doesn't make lousy environments with nothing to do in their games, so get the most you can out of new vegas because that poor excuse for a game isn't gonna be reapeated by bethesda anytime soon.

Care to tell us more about the supposed Bethesda haters?

Right. You can't. :rofl:

As for Bethesda, I do believe they have learned a LOT from NV. Like it or not, NV is actually the superior Fallout game and Bethesda will *not* overlook this simple fact and disregard the fanbase. :frog:

You actually sound like the anti-Bethesda guy here, not wanting them to improve?

No, just no, Bethesda =/= TES. They are capable of more than one type of game, why do you insist to insult them like this, it sounds as if YOU are the anti-Bethesda guy here, I believe them fully capable of making a true Fallout game if they got away from the idea that they can use Fallout to get money from the TES fanbase, which is sick and is perverting the franchise. "believability" and "plausibility" are very important in an RPG, whereas you prefer "action" "epicness" and "total disregard for all continuity", which is fine for Action FPS like CoD or Action "RPG"s like TES, but Fallout is an age old classic RPG series and that is what it should be, it shouldnt change itself to get a bigger fanbase, because that fanbase just becomes more dilluted, and the game changes more radically as the sway of the newer fans demands, and soon the game drifts to far from its origins and eventually dies.

Okay, yeah.

All of the decent 'epic' moments are ripped off from Fallout and Fallout 2, everything else was stupid and involved michael bay explosions on endless repeat,
Action doesn't make good all the time. I like having diplomatic options which Fallout 3 failed to provide in the slightest.

I don't mind them making BoS "the good guys" but not "Knight in shining armour give all for supposingly good". We would agree BoS to expand, but not just taking anyone in and give them a suit of Power Armour when the last cohort died.

And yeah, Behemoth in NCR is so epic I stand in the middle of the plaza and shoot it down with my trusty Chinese Assault Rifle 1st time round in 30secs :whistling:

And Dad killing himself? I was really piss off when I just save him and clear a hornet's nest worth of Super Mutant for him. Not to mention how smart he was getting a friend killed and almost me killed.

I like NV better...I feel like if you are going to go to some (pointless) place, it should have it's own story like primm. Every spot would most likely have some sort of visitor after 200 years. I liked the vaults because of this. I could open up a whole story inside of it....I actually like more inhabitants. It seems like every vault or place had this tragic accident and now their are only 4 people. I would like to see some population in some parts and little in others. Also I want my in-game quests (like the billboard one or the little ones where you help give food supply or direct power) to actually affect the game. I was hoping the sign guy would put up more signs or that I would see power in the places I directed it and maybe some comments about the difference. That is the "personality" I want. Not just caves where you kill a bunch of guys and then leave for no reason.

Howwwww dare you point out the fact theirs a major lack of personality in Fallout New Vegas! I will let you know good sir, that New Vegas is a work of art,it is perfect in all way, and is the better game from Fallout 3, that is why, in a poll where it is asking, "who's is getting bored of New Vegas". A big majority said they are,but, their opinion doesn't''t matter, because they are so called, dare I say it,Michale Bay fans.

Ehem...........

They put their opinion like facts

Thats the problem.

True,but don't we all do that.

Not really.

Why do you keep saying we are anti-Bethesda that we hate Bethesda? If we were so anti-Bethesda, would we really spend so much time on a Bethesda forum? Would we have bought Fallout 3 and all the DLC for it and played the game for hundreds of hours?

See, this is your problem. People like you, and Dario Meza ,and whoever that poster a few posts above me that said "See, like it or not, NV is the better game" are SO HIGH up on your pedestool that it's not enough for you to enjoy NV more. You want to make sure everyone knows it, and they accept your opinion as fact.
I'm sick of having to walk into every thread and deal with you clowns name-dropping how "awful" Bethesda is and how "great" Obsidian is, and then as soon as someone starts a thread contradictory to your opinion, you start whining about how the other posters are being "biased" and all sorts of other crybaby excuses. It's absolutely beyond childish that your ego's are so big that you can't just let be. Stop jumping in and and trying to "correct" people when they post something you don't agree with it, because face it-your opinion on what the game should be-isn't fact either. It means no more than there's does-irregardless of how long you've been a "fan."
No amount of pouting from you people is gonna change the fact that your opinion (which you, in your mind, have already deemed as fact) on what a Fallout game should be, will change other people's feelings on it.

It's not 1996. It's time to get over it, and yourself. That's a fact.

Meh, time doesn't mean anything, if it does, it is timeless classics are timeless.

We don't trash FO3 because it is "new school", NV is pretty much identical for most. We talk down about it because it have Fallout on it. It was call The Elder Scroll: Post Apocalypse we wouldn't have anything to complain.

Works both ways. People make threads about how they like New Vegas and people come on and say how much Fallout 3 is better and that New Vegas svcks and that anyone that does not like Fallout 3 just hates Bethesda. People come on and derail threads that have nothing to do with which is better. I have see threads where the op just wanted help making a character get derailed by people saying Fallout 3 is much better.

People have to stop thinking their opinions are Facts! People have to stop making up statistics as well.

Biggest thing people need to do is learn that criticism of a game is not the same as hating it or making fun of it. Everytime people try to bring up how New Vegas is more like the Originals. They get pelted with "you hate bethesda" "Get over the past" and crap like that.

I've never praised Obsidian over Bethesda, I praise New Vegas, Bethesda is a decent company but when it came to Fallout 3 they did a lackluster job.

I'm also sick of people like you, calling people like us out when you do the same exact thing, pointing out the same things each time instead of even trying to find someone else,
You [censored] and whine about us being biased when even you are biased against anything other than Fallout 3 because you are too childish to even think of us having a different opinion.
I start forcing something down throats when I see the same [censored] everyday in every post, and it always comes out from the same people each time.

You stop jumping in to point people out for stating our opinion and we can start being civilized, me, and a number of others (Gabriel77dan, Styles, Smert, Dario Mezia, and many others) have seen Fallout before unlike the majority of you people that post crap like this, we've seen the example, and Fallout 3 doesn't even begin to follow it.

It's 2011, you people never shut the hell up and say that we are stuck in the past when you people are whining about how New Vegas is different, and isn't like what was made in the past which is 'Fallout 3'.

Go cry some more.