Yeah, Pilo_T pretty much covered everything and vaste more what this one would have said about RAI.

Oblivion's was nothing spectacular, other games like I said Gothic 3, did the same thing, and the handful of NPC's that walked around in Oblivion and did nothing greater are neglible such as not realising ones comrade is dead, or that fabled thread many years ago "oh look you killed my Husband, how nice" I'm sure Skyrim will Improve on these aspects when it arrives, like said I'm not passing judgement holding my breath or diving into the hype. If Skyrim is going to blow me away it doesn't need mental assitance on my part to do so

Who said they were mutually exclusive? gamesas is trying to make a good game while at the same time making that game seem as good as they can (even if they're lying, or at the very least, severely twisting the truth) and taking shortcuts. Basically they're trying to make a game that costs the least amount of effort and time and money without sacrificing audience, so once they hit the next milestone of sold copies, there's not going to be any extra effort to make the game better just because. That's a rare thing to see in games today. Once they hit their goal for predicted sales, it gets shoved out to market as fast as possible. That's why it's necessary for people to complain (despite all the [censored] with their "don't like it? gtfo" remarks) about the things they're doing. There needs to be pressure on the developer to not take these shortcuts, and that, even though they're gonna sugar coat the life out of their game before it's released, there are people are not fooled and not impressed by what they're doing. Does it have any effect? Not really, but it can't hurt to try.

EDIT: I'll continue this tomorrow. I have to be up in 4 hours so the Navy can pay me $2,000 a month to clean for a few hours a day and run a couple miles. But since I apparently have a negative outlook on life, that really svcks for me.

I'm finding it hard to understand why some people think that Oblivions AI was great or even as some have said "revolutionary"..

What open world RPG has an NPC AI system in place as good as (or better than) Oblivion's? Don't forget that there's thousands of NPCs who have mostly unique 24-hour schedules, schedules that allow them to more realistically work and offer services (eg. close up shop at night, open in the morning, not offer anything while eating), find and use food for meals, have some semblence of a clue what's appropriate attire (never seen a guard where full armor when sleeping, unless they were just recently attacked), real honest-to-goodness guard patrols and rotations (if only they weren't generic "Guard"s..), can tell friend from foe regardless of which side you're on, and can keep accurate tabs on what certain (persistent) NPCs should be doing that are the world away from you? All without one bit of scripting.

Oh, and you lose points if anything you name was released after 2006.

No I don't have this fear because the radiant story is nowhere close to the complexity that the advertised Radiant AI should have been.

It sounds like it's not as complex to me either, and in any case, the thing to remember about Radiant AI is that part of the reason it was toned down towards release was because it was too prone to causing utter chaos, but Radiant Story sounds safer than Radiant AI to me. Really, the hype around Radiant AI was pretty much begging for dissappointment.

In any case, after the negative response to Radiant AI failing to be as impressive as fans expected it to be, I'd think Bethesda would have learned to be a little more careful about hyping any given feature too much, granted, I have no doubt that, in some ways, the game won't live up to the expectations of certain fans, not my own, of course. Saying I don't think the game will meet my expectations makes no sense, but those of some other players, if Bethesda is more cautious about hyping the game, fans will probably just hype it themselves, and since their expectations are based not on official information, but their own crazy imagination, or their own assumptions of what official information that isn't really very clear means, of course it won't be entirely accurate, and they'll still blame Bethesda for "lying" to them.

Halt Criminal Scum!

Has anything TES related ever been logical?

Perhaps not in-game wise but that isn't what I was referring to

As I said earlier in the thread it's things like what Todd Howard said in the Feb issue of game informer along the lines of "If you decide to murder this quest giving shopkeeper his sister may in the future offer you the same quest but only in extreme anger and frustration because you murdered her brother"

Things like that just aren't logical because it means they would have to re-record the same quest lines for the back-up NPCs of quest givers you kill meaning they would have to over the course of the entire game spend thousands of dollars on additional voice acting.

Gothic 3

What others are there?? Lots but I really can't be bothered looking them up just to prove a point

As I said man, just because of that sort of AI doesn't mean Oblivions AI was even medicore. Go look at what I just posted about how stupid NPCs act when another NPC is killed in front of them or when they find a body, or they walk into their homes and everything is gone, or when a npc is stealth killed next to them and they say things like "Must of been the wind.."

Things like that just aren't logical because it means they would have to re-record the same quest lines for the back-up NPCs of quest givers you kill meaning they would have to over the course of the entire game spend thousands of dollars on additional voice acting.

Beth are control freaks , if you read carefully what they say and you have played their previous games this becomes clear , i am sure that radiant story will work as designed and give loads of level scaled (controlled) fun to the players.

Then which games would you recommend that will give me a greater sense of freedom than TES and Fallout 3 ?

You brought the issue of control up, so I assume you either think control and by association freedom are relevant, or are just posting complaints you haven't thought through, for the sake of complaining.

Interesting responses, they really tried the best, it's a shame they didn't succeed in some matters. I doubt they ever lied, things just turned out not to work like it should... still, Oblivion was an excellent game.

You asked me to give you a more free game instead of asking where Beth's control freak-ism shows , which has nothing to do with freedom in TES games .
You characterise my post as a complaint when i only stated the obvious and it isn't such a big revelation .

So far radiant story news only talk about celled areas , caves or tombs , i have not read anything about bandits blocking bridges , looters take control of a village or pack of wolfs harassing cattle .

He's a good game developer don't get me wrong but he does seem to exaggerate things quite a bit, I've seen that in many interviews/showcases with him all the way from Oblivion-Fallout-Skyrim.

Todd is reminding me more and more of the game develpor or Press guy (or whatever) from Fable, describing the most tantalizingly awesome game ever, even if it's not the game they are actally producing

This is good news. <3 Peter Molyneux and I love that Todd is influenced by that man's ambition. The more Fable influence, the better.