Skyrim is bugged to all [censored].

I stopped playing Skyrim for a couple of days when I downloaded Lonesome Road. But I've finished that now, so I'll probably be back in Whiterun tomorrow.

i'm starting a new chr tomorrow .... i'm thinking a Gangster, he will always wear suits/fancy clothes or Armour and only use guns & a switchblade....

I wish their was a way to wear the "gangster" apparel with out taking the loss on protection, like even a bullet proof vest you can see but gives the protection of a light armor.

Yes. NV is better, Skyrim is boring.

I was waiting for all the FONV DLC to be released with a complete collection, but went ahead and got everything on sale anyway because it was cheaper than the SRP for the collection coming out next month. I've put thousands of hours into Beth's games and strongly support them as good pedagogical tools for many goals of education.

Character aesthetics (with mods) is the only thing that I see FONV having over TES. But Beth has always had this problem. Too bad Obsidian followed suit, but it's endemic in Western gaming. Gaming is a global product and companies need to offer player choice, particular in RPGs. Of course, the aesthetic element is critical in an RPG because without it, the player cannot identify with the character. In other words, any attempt at immersion is broken during character creation due to lack of choice in TES. FO games have the same problem, but thankfully FO3 and FONV have the Shojo Race mod and Type 3 replacer. Too bad these are not in TES.

I also note that so many people equate story with RPG. Now, I have stressed many times that combat and challenge is not necessary for gaming, and in fact are only one element of many, just like narrative, character development, etc. However, FONV has a story premise that may appeal to certain people, but it is also a premise that simply pushes other people away. A courier who survived an attempted murder and then is supposed to seek revenge? Boring! Especially for various character concepts! Two large armies fighting over Hoover Dam? Sigh... not interested, really. At least FO3 had the political machinations going on in the destroyed nation's capital. This is the problem with story, though. Some stories are boring to some people while other people love the same stories. In a game like FONV, you can't really have lots of different main story premises to suit the wide player market you are attempting to reach, so the result is that the entire premise simply alienates potential customers. Sure, I have bought the game and am now playing it since all the DLCs are out (and the mod porting from FO3 has matured to where what I need to play is available). However, the FONV story premise is nowhere near as appealing as Skyrim's... for me, of course, which is the point and the original question posed.

Also, the push of "Wild West" atmosphere is laid on way too much, although I certainly understand why and how it is in keeping with the alternate history of FO (in the SW anyway). Still, it gets extremely annoying unless you happen to adore "Wild West" stories and the spaghetti Western era of Hollywood. I've watched my share of those films and enjoyed them okay, but playing a game for hundreds of hours in such a world is pushing it for me. Mind you, I have traveled all over America West of the Mississippi River, and used to have family living around Las Vegas. FONV takes plenty of liberties with the environment of the American SW, let's just leave it at that.

Having said all of that, I can still say that the ability to play a character I can identify with due to mods for FONV means that I will be able to put many hours (probably hundreds, as I said) despite all the issues I mentioned. I saw one person claim story isn't important at all, and others reply that story is paramount for an RPG, but I would state that it is character that is paramount above even story. An RPG may have a poor story, but if you care about the character, you will still play (just as you do for games with poor mechanics but excellent characters and/or stories).

I've been playing Skyrim since it came out, but I still need to go and protect he president and fight the Battle of Hoover Dam before I am finished with New Vegas. Next time I get a long weekend, I will finally have to finish the game...

I haven't played Skyrim, but I have played Oblivion and it had some of the least interesting characters I have ever seen in a game. The story was really abysmal and the dialogue was so over the top and poorly written. Despite this I did really enjoy the game and the gameplay was satisfying, but I am a bit more critical of a game like Oblivion because it being in a fantasy setting I compare it to my favourite game with a fantasy setting which happens to be Dragon Age: Origins.

I do completely agree with the fact that taste is entirely about perspective. It's why I generally don't interrogate people about what they like. I personally loved New Vegas' story, but I didn't get as much of a cowboy theme as you seem to have gotten. If you want to make your character a cowboy then that's up to you, I can name at least five people on these forums who have made Enclave characters, I even know that someone has made a Chuck Norris character. This is exactly why I love New Vegas so much and why it's my favourite RPG, its because it is the least linear game I have ever played. You could fly through the game in under 30 hours or take your time and play for over 300 hours. One time I had finished all of the DLC, got to level 50 and was about 120 hours into my character before I even went into the Strip.

The mods are just icing on the cake for New Vegas. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Maybe it's just me, but Skyrim had a much bigger reaction to my friends, as a good number of my friends play Skyrim, and none of them Fallout.

It's the "popular" game right now, a lot of people are playing it, but give it a few months, and a number of people will go back to New Vegas fulltime.

It COMPLETELY depends on taste when comparing Fallout and TES

I prefer Fallout much more, but I don't judge people who prefer TES. It's just not my thing really.

It sure is the "popular" game on the block. I was suprised at how many people that I work with were talking about it, funny cause most of them are very much into MW3. most sounded like they did the main quest and that's all. Their not used to a game you can't beat in a night... Lol

Wait until a new Fallout or TES arrives, nobody will remember what a Skyrim is, just like how nobody remembers what a Fallout 3 or Oblivion/Morrowind is.

I'm back!

New PS3, new year. I'm starting my first ever Melee/Unarmed build today. She is an assassin, specialises in Sneak, Melee Weapons and Science. With Unarmed to be a fourth tag skill. Traits are Logan's Loophole and Built to Destroy. Probably will align with House, since only that and the Legion are the two endings I've not yet done.

I miss Skyrim and its beautiful scenery and music, and I will return.

But for now, I'm back in the Mojave. Its gonna be a fun ride.

I've started playing it again since I could buy it + all dlc for about $12 from the steam holiday sales. I never got a chance to give it the love it deserved since I was playing black ops soon after that (which I regret) and never got around to playing it again. Originally I bought games for my Ps3 but since finding out I've had my computer hooked into the wrong graphics card after 2+ years of having it (integrated radeon 3000 compared to HD 5700 series lol. Went from laggy low-medium skyrim settings on 800x600 res to everything maxed out with 50+ FPS on 1600x900 res xD) I haven't touched it and the steam sales were the perfect timing.

Playing skyrim a lot less only because of the holiday sales, because I managed to pick up a lot of great games I wanted to play for cheap ass prices - Bioshock (both), Witcher (both), Batman Arkham (both), total war shogun 2, Demon Souls, Assassin's Creed 1 & 2, and orcs must die. Also plan on getting Oblivion and Morrowind before the sale date expires (jan 20th) . All those games plus the first half of 2012 (Prototype 2, Syndicate, Kingdoms of Amalur, and Game of Thrones), will keep me busy all year.

Beaten both batmans, although I haven't done much of the collectibles. Played total war a lot, but I can't seem to get the hang of it so I uninstalled it for now lol. Played a little of Witcher 1 but I find it a bit boring myself and don't really understand the combat (like mass clicking enemies kills them insanely quick but theres no animations, wut? lol) but I still plan on playing it through because I know they are good games. Played a bit of orcs must die and it's much harder than I thought it was but it is really fun. Played AC1 and really hate the style they did with the memory crap, it totally kills the game for me. Demon Souls I want to love, but I can't seem to like it. Haven't played the Bioshocks yet.

Yup. I played through Skyrim and came away sore for a REAL rpg. I say let Obsidian have a whack at making a spinoff Elder Scrolls game... You know, like they did with New Vegas?
I feel that Obsidian's writing and story making skills could REALLY benefit the Elder Scrolls series.

Funny because the people I work with are like "What's a skyrim?"

popular =/= well known. Hell, there'd be people that haven't even heard of Call of Duty...or even well-known world history in their country. What's your point?

WEird, because where I live everybody knows what a Skyrim or Call of Duty is. Teachers do, random strangers do. Hell, while waiting for your order at McD's you can talk to a cashier about Skyrim.

My copy of NV broke a while back.. So I have not played it, despite trying rather frequently. I have the Collector's Edition too..
I'm gonna go buy a replacement at some point, it's only twenty bucks at my friendly neighborhood Wal-Mart, but I'm still enthralled in Skyrim, so that currently has my attention.

I havent even completed fallout new vegas.i think i dont have it anymore.
I am going to get that new edition of the game ultimate edition or whatever its called.

I just finished all the quests (I think) with my level 70 Argonian last night. Since it's getting so damn hard to level anymore and I've experienced just about all the content I can, I'm probably gonna lay my successful Dead Is Dead Skyrim playthrough aside and pick up Josh's mod and run that DID Bond, Bail Bond spylike playthrough I've been putting off. It may be hard as hell to do a DID with Josh's mod, but I'm gonna try.

-Gunny

Anyone still play Skyrim now that it has become clear New Vegas is the better game?

Nope.

me either, but i havent gone back to NV yet, i like to savour the best games.

To be honest this thread is like saying do you still poop because we have cheese graters now.
Makes zero sense.

yeah because you put 200 hours in a game your dissapointed in