I've tried isolating the mod by myself, but I've had very little success.

Here's my mod list:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]07  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm08  Better Cities Resources.esm09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0B  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Better Cities .esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp16  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp17  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp18  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]19  DLCHorseArmor.esp1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCVileLair.esp1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp1E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1F  DLCThievesDen.esp20  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]21  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]22  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]23  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp24  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]25  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp26  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]28  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b1]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b1]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp  [Version 3.7b1]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b1]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b1]2F  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]30  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]31  (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp32  Sutch Reborn Spawn Patch.esp33  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp34  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp35  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp36  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp37  Solace.esp38  CM Solace.esp39  Villages1.1.esp3A  DLCFrostcrag.esp3B  Knights.esp3C  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp3D  AFK_Weye.esp3E  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp3F  ElsweyrAnequina.esp40  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]41  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]42  xulTheHeath.esp43  XulEntiusGorge.esp44  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]45  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp46  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]47  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]48  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]49  SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp4A  OOO-UL-Sutch patch.esp4B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]4C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]4D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]4E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]4F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]50  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]51  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulPantherRiver.esp53  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]54  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]55  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]56  xulBlackwoodForest.esp57  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]58  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp59  Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp5A  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5B  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp5C  Open Better Cities Full.esp5D  Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp5E  OBCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp5F  OBCBravil-Barrowfields patch.esp60  OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]61  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp63  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp64  CM Partners.esp65  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp66  CM Partners NPC.esp67  CM Partners More NPCs.esp68  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp69  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp6A  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]6B  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]6C  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp6D  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp6E  Better Cities Full.esp6F  BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp70  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp71  BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp72  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp73  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp74  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp75  Better Imperial City.esp76  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp77  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]78  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp79  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-24 day lenght rescale.esp7A  MiniMap.esp7B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp7C  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]7D  OOO-Sutch patch.esp7E  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]7F  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]80  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]81  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]82  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]83  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]84  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]85  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]86  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]87  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]

I'm about 75% sure RAEVWD, the natural mods, and the LOD mods I have installed are not the problem, I disabled each of them individually and saw nearly no change in fps besides the expected with texture mods.
I'm thinking it might be Qarl's or Enhanced water, but I had those installed before the big fps hit so I don't know.

ANY help AT ALL that you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated, choppy gameplay absolutely ruins the immersion for me.

Might help to know what your CPU is too. You could easily be getting an FPS drop because of your CPU while your Videocard glides along with ease.

What kind of frame rates are you getting (outside and in cities)?

I have an ATI 4870 1GB VRAM and dual core 2.4Mhz running on Win7 64-bit, have pretty much what you have, and have decent performance (20-40 FPS outside and 10-35 FPS in cities with BC installed).

I will say that I have a noticable improvement moving from XP-32bit to Win7 64bit.

If your problem is in IC, then I had the same issue with BC-Imperial city. I donot use that anymore, instead I use Impreal mod with Darker Regal IC, and Imperial city expanded.

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66Mhz.

Nothing special, but I figured it would be able to handle it.

Look at this site: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/index

Especially this link about outdated mods: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmods

I would get rid of the Max Teal mods first to see if it helps.

I'm not sure what you mean with 'murdering' FPS, but Open better cities + RAEVWD + Qarls + FCOM = bad framerate. Even with a good card.

I'm also not sure what you mean by 'disabling' RAEVWD. Did you delete/rename the .lod files? Or did you simply disable the esps (which won't have any noticeable impact on performance)? Even though it is as optimized as possible I would still say that it is one of if not the biggest performance killer mod available, at least on full settings with full distant count.

It could very well be Natural weather, because I get a dramatic fps lift when I look down, or away from the sky. I've had no problems with Natural Vegetation though, other than the way the textures look photo-shopped in.

I'll go ahead and replace those mods with the fixed versions, and see whats what. Thanks.

74 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
7E RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]

Pretty sure these are redundant. As you're doing BC, I'd drop the RAEVWD for the Imperial City.

Natural Weather is buggy, but the recommendation for Enhanced Vegetation over the NE mod is because EV gives better performance (and more options.) People have already pointed out the FPS killers though. VWD mods hurt everyone's performance. You are also running OC... You put quite a system killer together, really.

Drop OBGE too.


Edit: Your CPU is not that great, so you should drop the AI intensive plugins as well. For example:

2A Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1]
2F OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]


79 Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-24 day lenght rescale.esp <-- remove and use the equivalent bashed patch tweak instead

If you use RAEVWD, try reducing uGridDistantTreeRange and uGridDistantCount in the oblivion.ini file.

I do not use any city architecture in RAEVWD, just wilderness, forts, ruins, ships, statues. Makes a huge difference in FPS. Also stated in the manual for it about that. Read through it. Start with a few options and work your way up if RAEVWD is a problem for you.

Well you could see if it′s LOD pretty easily - just delete your distantlod folder (you can always rebuild the lod), or rename it. See how your FPS spikes after that.


Some things about tracking perfomance eaters. Using LOD as an example:


Notice the improvement you see should be always considered percentual - if you have 10fps, and get 15 after that, it means it′s HUGE improvement, +50%.


What I mean is that if you notice that LOD takes you from 15FPS to 10FPS, it means it′s about 1/3 of the current load. Take out other mods, your current FPS climbs up. THEN if you take out the LOD, it′s then being responsible for even higher slice of the load (cause you took some other factors out), so you should see even bigger a difference - of course cause the FPS is already higher so for example +50% is more FPS than before - but I mean even percentually.


To sum it up, don′t be fooled by only seeing a small difference in perfomance when you test taking out different stuff - the difference is relative to how much processing time, percentually, the mod is responsible for. When you have lots of potential FPS eaters, they all count for percentually less, than if you have only a couple of such culprits. That, and if you FPS is already low, the percentual change, even when big, means only a small FPS difference.

By murdered, I meant I had a serious drop in fps, as if I pushed my card WAAAAAAAAAAAY over the edge.


And I pretty much install all of my mods by converting them into an OMOD in OBMM, rather than manually installing them. Perhaps I'm not understanding how OBMM works, but when you disable an OMOD that contains a mod, the mod is uninstalled, even with ESPless mods. Right?

This setup is both CPU and GPU intensive. Any number of changes would help tremendously. What is your GPU?


Edit: To the OMOD quest, yes. ESP less mods are not special. OMODs can contain ESPs and data files. It would not make sense for it to only uninstall ESPs when it installs everything...

Drop that. You aren't using Open Cities Leyawiin Reborn and this will generate major land tearing.



Seriously? You're loading full boar LOD for the IC *AND* every other city while also using OBC on top of it and you're wondering why you've killed your fps?

RAEVWD is a hog, there's nothing more that can be done that I haven't already done to it to improve that. You need to be aware though that the IC module is especially demanding, with the cities module following right behind that on the scale of demanding. With OBC in the picture, that cities module is now doubling the LOD for every city, and with the BC IC VWD module and the one from RAEVWD active, you're doubling the LOD in the IC.

You need to remove some stuff here and then rerun tes4lodgen when you're done so that the LOD will update properly. You should see an improvement afterward.

Judging by the load order you're using you should probably run BOSS as well. There's some stuff after your Bashed Patch that shouldn't be where it is.

What graphics card are you running? You might as well post your power supply too. If you do not have a separate sound card (which is a great, cheap investment) you should install Quiet Feet MAX (to take some pressure off your CPU.)

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/optimization/optimizationmods <-- link to Quiet Feet MAX here

ATI Radeon HD 5700 series.


And sorry everyone if my mod setup looks terrible, its probably on account of the fact that I'm still very much a noob when it comes to mods and whatnot.

Also my PSU is a logisys make... 550W? I don't know, I'm not really sure how I would identify it, I don't see anything regarding it in the diagnostic I just ran.

I just noticed, you are running a mismatched FCOM setup: OOO 1.34b5 + MMM 3.7b1... You need to updated too MMM 3.7b3. It has to be clean. Uninstall MMM 3.55b5 and MMM 3.7b1 (and delete them) and then upgrade to MMM 3.7b3.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=24646


Edit: You are running the 5700 series and not the 5800 series... Is it a 1GB card? There are multiple 5700 cards...

Edit: Okay, at least you are working with 1GB of dedicated VRAM...

5700 series could be anything. Could you post a dxdiag just to verify that your PC is good enough?

It says 5770 in the subtitle of the thread, and the OP already posted the CPU specs. A Dxdiag is probably not going to be more helpful at this point. What power supply are you running? If it is at least 600W, that's good enough.

I didn't see that one. But how much RAM does he have? Does he have a dedicated sound card etc..

The sound card has already been addressed (see my previous post.)

Welp, looks like this isn't going to end well. :facepalm:

I have 3 gigs of RAM, to the other guy who just asked.

Think positive. Trust the karma. Do the mod suggestions THEN worry about the hardware.

I don't know the brand Logisys. But if they put in decent PSU's then 550W should be more then sufficient. 3GB of RAM is also more then enough.