When I look at my perk chart, I have 5 stars in perception, 7 in agility. But on my attributes screen, my perception is (-) 2, agility (-) 5. The sad part? It had been like this for well over 50 hours, and I always disregarded it thinking it was because I carry a heavy load at all times (150lb+). I finally decided to take everything off when I was moving junk from one base to another, and I realized the stats were still the same. Debuff bug. So all this time I've been playing Survival+ with gimped stats. I always wondered why I can only get 2 sniper shots off in VATS, and why my accuracy svcks at range.

I have no idea what caused this, so I'm not even going to bother to reroll. At times when I felt the game was being difficult, I simply adapted and adjusted my style, never once thinking that I was bugged. You guys think the molerat disease -10hp is annoying? This is ten times worse. No I have never noticed any abnormalities, like blurred vision (head cripple bug), I even tried crippling my head or limbs by blowing myself up with a grenade and then healing again, no difference. I have never used the console except for one time, to advance the quest stage for Emogene's bugged quest. Never did plastic surgery, never altered my character in any way.

If anyone can shed some light on this, that would be great, but I"m not holding out much hope, and I don't think even a patch can fix a bugged save. So let this be a warning to all of you, always check your S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stats from time to time especially after suffering an injury, and make sure you fully heal yourself up before making a backup save.

Maybe you already know and have done this, but if you're playing on the PC you should be able to use the console to fix your stats. Just use the following.

player.setav perception/agility X

X of course being the value for the stat.

Have you used any chems during your playthrough ? If so, you might be dealing with an addiction, which you can "heal" by taking addictol or speaking to a doctor.

Definitely looks like addiction to me, use an Addictol just incase.

You're a drug addict. I'm so disappointed in you.

could also be decapitation... i know it sounds crazy.. but theres a bug where if you fight a deathclaw it can chop your head off (if you play in first person you might not notice) and with no head you lose all your perception. but can still keep playing despite it making no sense whatsoever.

Go to the status screen in your pipboy and see if there are any icons in the top left. You can also change the view while on the status screen to view exactly what is affecting you. Definitely sounds like addiction to me.

True but that would be cheating, and I havent really touched console except for that one time to use setstage. and it wouldn't remove the bug, I'd have to overcompensate by setting my agility to 9 (-2)=7, which would also open up level 9 agi perks.

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I am a pretty frequent drug user, but obviously I keep my addiction in check. No status effects in the menu. My only choice right now is to make it canon by accepting the fact that drug abuse has wrecked my body permanently....

Ya. It's an addiction. I put 2 pts in the Chem Resistant Perk to avoid this. Addictol is expensive... and I love Whiskey +2 STR is dope.

when it says (-) before the number I dont think it means you are negative five it means you are 5 and have a negative status effect. So the real number is something over 5 and with the status it has been brought down to 5 so you can see that is not your normal state.

I believe player.modav instead of player.setav would not open up the perks to you. Looks like you got addicted to something, lost the stats, lost the addiction and your stats never returned to normal. Using addictol or a doctor might fix you up, but I'd be surprised. Console is just an option if you prefer not playing with bugged stats.

If you do go the console route, player.setav is not the option to use - setav sets the base of whatever you change, so if you have a bugged modifier applying to a stat... setav wouldn't remove this, and your correct in that you'd have to set your base higher to compensate for it.

IE you have base of 7 agility with a bugged -2 modifier, using player.setav you'd have to set your agility to 9 to counter the modifier... as this would leave you with 7 agility. However player.modav +2 would remove the -2 modifier, while not changing your base agility... so you'd end up with your correct 7 agility.

However, if you use player.modav correctly, you can resolve the bugged modifier without changing your actual base stats. So in your chase that would be:

player.modav agility +2

player.modav perception +3

This would get red of the modifiers effecting your stats, without changing the actual base stat - ie your Agility would stay as 7 and Perception as 5.

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I'd recommend checking your effects tab and seeing if you have anything showing there - as you could havegotten a disiease/addiction/etc that you didn't realize. Also try visiting a doctor and paying for all healing options... if that fixes your stats then great, if not... then your only options are to keep on playing with gimped stats or use the console to fix them.

And IMHO fixing a bugged modifier is not cheating, it's using the console to fix a bug. If you were to say set your stats (or the modifer) to 99, then yes I'd say that is cheating! lol

Are you sure it's not an addiction? Might be the status effect in the pip boy that's bugged. The notifications for getting addicted is rather subtle. Try just going to a doctor and see if you have the option to "cure" addiction.

I can't enter the status screen if I have no effects going on, I posted the screenshots a few posts above.

Thanks for the console tips, if there is a command that can counter the negative modifier then it should work. Ideally though is if someone made a character or save editor, and I can load it and see the negative effect and remove it, that would be the cleanest way. But I've already gotten used to this handicap, so i'll just http://www.quickmeme.com/img/88/8892454ad787cd2ebc0d67b8ca557fa805f2944c4fb178d5401d8024bd8dd1d0.jpg.