Archery vs Dragons

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:08 am

Imagine shooting an arrow right in a dragons eye, or slicing its wing with a Sword so it can't fly
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Jose ordaz
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:04 am

I would like to get to a point where minor dragons can be one-shotted, by hitting a weak spot with a powerful arrow, but the greater dragons should be a tough fight like with any other weapons. ( If there are lesser and greater ones, I think it was only confirmed that there are different kinds, not weaker kinds, could be wrong though)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:26 am

You shouldn't be able to kill a dragon with less than 50 arrows.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:35 am

so long as your bow is strong and your aim is true im pretty sure eventually even a dragon could fall
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:29 am

Funny idea: firing an arrow whilst shouting the thu'um equivalent of "Piss off!"
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:47 am

Shooting an arrow at a dragon would be like sticking a tooth-pick in someones body. It would require a ton of arrows to do the job, unless of corse damage is different accordingly to the place you hit with them


Not really some dragons are small some dragons are big.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:47 am

I'd like to see how many toothpicks in the eye it takes for you to go down.


I have eye armor :geek: :tongue:

Not really some dragons are small some dragons are big.


It would depend on their hp (proporcional to size) ...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:08 pm

I don′t see how bow & arrow be any different then any other weapon (well besides having range of course) it takes what it takes depending on damage and the dragons health.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:29 am

I think if you pull of a shot down the dragons throat it should if not one shot them deal quite a bit of damage.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:49 am

Not with your little bow, i think you should have to get a huge stationary crossbow to shoot it down with a huge arrow
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:46 am

I don′t see how bow & arrow be any different then any other weapon (well besides having range of course) it takes what it takes depending on damage and the dragons health.

+1

Not with your little bow, i think you should have to get a huge stationary crossbow to shoot it down with a huge arrow

I doubt there that tough. If a sword can kill one, no need for an archer to have to drag out his ballista.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:20 pm

Smaug was killed by a single archer's arrow.

It'd better be!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:08 am

Dragons encounters aren't scripted, as far as I know. All evidence I've seen or read has pointed to random encounters, and a recent thread supports that. So I doubt they will be "bosses" so much as really powerful creatures. That may also be wishful thinking, though, because a lot of people on here seem to want or expect boss fights like on Gears of War (which I wasn't too fond of). Sure, they remained challenging, but they were limiting. It felt more like a difficult quicktime event than a dramatic battle.

I vote somewhere between "lots and lots" and "they require a melee killing blow". I want the fights to be realistic, not fair. If arrows don't meet that, then I'm going to stab the damn thing until it dies.

I like your answer.

I'm rather disappointed that you can kill dragons at all. I just know it's going to be easier than it should be.

As far as killing them goes I hope it's a bit more intuitive than hack and slash, and I hope you can avoid combat with them or even reason with them.

How the hell do you expect to reason with a harbinger of a world-consuming deity? What can you say to it to convince it to not free its master from the confines of this world? As a mortal, you have nothing to offer them. They are resolute in their purpose. There will be blood, no negotiation.

I like to play archers. In previous games, this didn't make my characters less competent in magic or fencing, but this time, you won't be able to take all perks, so I will be really pissed of if I can't kill a dragon with arrows, while a melee player didn't need to shoot arrow to be able to kill the same dragon.
^This. Archers should have no more or less of a challenge than any other combat style against dragons, considering their integral role to the plot of the game, and "Play what you Want to" spirit of the Elder Scrolls Series


so long as your bow is strong and your aim is true im pretty sure eventually even a dragon could fall

Correct.

I don′t see how bow & arrow be any different then any other weapon (well besides having range of course) it takes what it takes depending on damage and the dragons health.
This is the blunt way of putting it.


Not with your little bow, i think you should have to get a huge stationary crossbow to shoot it down with a huge arrow

And I suppose you'd rather not have it possible to kill a human IRL by hurling a chunk of metal less than 1 cm in any given direction at them?

A Bow is just as capable of putting the hurt on a dragon as a sword, lightning bolt, or fireball.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:10 am

It won't be a set piece as you put it,because dragons aren't scripted,they can go anywhere,any time they want to.
So are you saying where ever it lands,the enviroment will have a trap for it?....no...doesn't make sense.
We have to use our skills that we get better at,and that is what perks will be used for too.
Also archers may be able to use flaming arrows.This is NOT comfrimed,it was just seen in concept art.
A bandit with a bow and flaming arrow.



So, no set pieces but I wonder if combat can be more dynamic, say if you're able to lure it to a narrow ravine and get it stuck or restrict its movement making it easier to attack or lure it into an area that you've 'mined' with magic runes. Afterall they did say dragons will fly, swoop in, land, attack on foot and from the air etc etc rather than the usually static fighting
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:44 am

Not with your little bow, i think you should have to get a huge stationary crossbow to shoot it down with a huge arrow

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/2-talent_caliber.jpg/542px-2-talent_caliber.jpg, anyone? (A talent is a measure of currency.)

Edit: Not that I'm advocating that; it'd be near impossible to move that around, even with game logic. Hammerspace does have its limits.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:30 pm

If it bleeds, we can kill it any way we damn please.

Arrows aren't hitscan weapons, so you can miss even with an accurate shot if the dragon dodges. The manner in killing a dragon should depend on how aggressive it is. An aggressive dragon can be goaded into unfavorable terrain where you can kill it as you see fit, while a cautious one would try getting you to fight on its terms. I hope combat against them doesn't exclude any of the three disciplines, likely requiring dragons to be highly resistant to arrows, nearly immune to spell damage, and relatively low on HP to make it vulnerable to melee attacks, so every strike against them should be a dramatic moment.

Arrows should still do significant damage, so, with the archery overhaul, every shot is a dramatic moment in battle along the lines of Bard's shot vs. Smaug. Spell casting against a dragon becomes an epic duel between Mage and Dragon that lays waste to the terrain around it, and a warrior's in for a tough struggle against a foe, trying to get into position to strike against the creature while protecting themselves from the counterattack, and emerging triumphant after delivering a few telling blows, each one requiring a great amount of work to land so it's still a satisfying, epic fight without the dragon being a "Damage Sponge".


I imagine/hope that melee combat with a dragon will largely involve avoiding its deadly swings of claws/limbs/tail and getting close enough to land a power attack on its soft belly. So the difficulty will come in landing blows rather than button mashing and hitting it as fast and as many times as possible hence making it more of a tactical fight as you time your movements and strikes - as it should be!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:25 am


Also archers may be able to use flaming arrows.This is NOT comfrimed,it was just seen in concept art.
A bandit with a bow and flaming arrow.



Hoo hoo! I would LOVE it if we could have flaming arrows! beyond merely enchanting a bow with fire damage. if fire spells can make areas catch fire i wonder if they'll introduce stuff like accelerants so you can throw some oil down, lure a dragon into the patch and set it alight?

apart from that, just hitting someone with a flaming arrow and watching them catch alight would be a joy!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:29 am

I imagine/hope that melee combat with a dragon will largely involve avoiding its deadly swings of claws/limbs/tail and getting close enough to land a power attack on its soft belly. So the difficulty will come in landing blows rather than button mashing and hitting it as fast and as many times as possible hence making it more of a tactical fight as you time your movements and strikes - as it should be!

Well, for a warrior, at least. A light-armored, high mobility scout should be able to try harrassing it with numerous weak strikes with a dagger or shortsword, though all that does is just change the pace of the fight, not the scope.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:01 am

Smaug was killed by a single archer's arrow.

It'd better be!
Smaug also had a bird that was eavesdropping on Bilbo give him the location of the Smaug's weak spot. Planning on talking to many birds?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:39 am

Psh, you guys have it easy. My hand to hand monk is going to...well...have his hands full. Especially if they don't give hand to hand a much needed overhaul.

Ah well...I'll probably just have destruction magic my secondary and have some touch spells...beat dragon over head with fists till magica recharges, left hand weakness to ice right hand ice damage on touch, repeat.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:21 pm

Smaug also had a bird that was eavesdropping on Bilbo give him the location of the Smaug's weak spot. Planning on talking to many birds?

Well, in traditional Norse mythology, drinking dragon's blood lets you speak to birds, so...
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:28 pm

Well, in traditional Norse mythology, drinking dragon's blood lets you speak to birds, so...
Got it, first kill dragon, drink blood, then ask bird how to kill dragon. Seems redundant. And, of course, this isn't traditional Norse mythology.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:16 am

Got it, first kill dragon, drink blood, then ask bird how to kill dragon. Seems redundant. And, of course, this isn't traditional Norse mythology.

Not redundant, just a Catch-22. Except, being Dhovakin, you have dragon blood in your own veins. So, bite lip, talk to birdies.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:06 pm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/2-talent_caliber.jpg/542px-2-talent_caliber.jpg, anyone? (A talent is a measure of currency.)


A talent is also a measure of weight, which would make more sense here, I think (that is, giving the weight of the projectile).
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:16 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnmKS-cGt8E
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