http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1095737/skyrim_preview_gameplay_locations_and_quests_revealed.html

This recent preview of the game mentions something very interesting...and it offers spoilers for a random encounter in an inn so if you're the type to not wanna know about the little things, don't look:


"Soon realising that getting to Markarth is a near impossible task, we stop at a nearby inn to get a room and restore our energy and health. As we should’ve expected, it’s not just your run-of-the-mill hotel, according to its owner, Eydis. She explains that the great Tiber Septim used to lodge in the inn as he raged war across the land, and you’re offered his room, being the fine warrior that you are.

Taking rest in the grand lodgings, you’re awoken by the landlady’s scream. Rushing to her aid Eydis tells you she has seen a ghost and, low and behold, sat behind in a chair near the back of the inn is the spirit in question. Calm to the end, a quick conversation reveals it’s one of Septim’s soldier’s spirits wanting to become blood brothers with Hjalti, the man he believes you to be. "



Soooo, since the ghost of a comrade of good ole Tiber mistakes you for Hijalti Early Beard, does this confirm Arcturian Heresy in your eyes? I'm personally really really excited for this sorta thing since it confirms Tiber was just a propped up image via what the Heresy had to say about other things. The most awesome thing, however, is that if it's true, then Lokhan has slipped back in as the Talos Oversoul and that we'll be seeing a lot more of Talos and Lorkhan in the story.

Also on a side note, this doesn't help my indecisiveness between a Dunmer and Nord since the journalist only encountered this whilst playing a Nord.

The heresy confirmed? HA! SEE THAT DOGS OF THE EMPIRE! OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH!

Then again, it was probably the most true document about Tiber than anything else, as everything else is just Imperial propaganda.

But man, does this make me happy! And there should definitely be a helluva lot more [censored] about Shor in Skyrim! He is their #1, after all.

As Heresy was a dev to dev exposition for the synthesis of Talos, a Daggerfall god from Alc-someplace, and Tiber Septim, it has been word of god for years. It's even written with no fictional perspective. It's kinda the basis of the Imperial Pantheon and the modern mythos.


Race makes a difference? !!

Does that mean Alcaire is an island now? or the author of the Heresey just svcks at geography? lol

Very cool news, especially since the heresy places Tiber as a Breton, what I've bewn saying all along

A breton that looked like a nord who was a nord that looked like a breton, was from High Rock but came from Altmora and was from Altmora but came from High Rock, and was here and there at the same time.

Yay Tiber!

I would assume so since he was confused for Hjalti and playing a Nord. Coincidence? Your guess is as good as mine, it's just that I don't see an Argonian being mistaken for him if you know what I mean. Just reeks of race specific dialog and quest opportunities/random events. Wouldn't be out of the question with Radiant Story and the way Bethesda wants the experience tailored for your character.

That would be possible, but being a spirit, maybe he just "sees" the player character from a different perspective. There are features outside the physical world.

Maybe he sees the player as a dragon.

He could be seeing YOUR SOUL!!! Ends up confusing PC's and Hijalti's soul as they're probably very similar and all. And what DarthRavanger said.

That's what I think, but race specific encounters are way more fun.

Perhaps in not being worshiped as a god, it caused Tiber Septim to return to the normal mortal cycle of reincarnation.

As below, so above.

Wasn't there a theory awhile back, which claimed Talos must have died after Oblivion, because the Amulet was broken, and thus went his divinity?

If there was, I'd say it's an incorrect theory. Talos's divinity was made through reenacting the enatiomorph, not some crap Reman pulled out of his butt. The destruction of the amulet likely lead to Akatosh able to flow back into his previous states, as the pact with Alessia is now null and void, and that the loss of worship to Talos would weaken him.

Sounds like something I've read here. Couldn't name who came up with it though.

It would be so awesome if the Agents of Thalmor sect picked up on the actual in-universe book and realized that Lorkhan sneaking in as Talos was a possibility to interrupt Alduin. Therefore, they erase any possibility of such a hindrance by convincing the Empire or whoever is in charge to wipe him from memory.

It would provide for a very intelligent plot move, and kind of parallel the way they think with the way we think, since both the people of Nirn and us get the lore info from the same place (in game texts) and have to make rational decisions on whether or not it's true and what to do about it if the risks are large. I mean, it has to be mind boggling for a person of Nirn to read about something like the Arcturian Heresy and ponder what could be.

But most don't, and blindly follow Imperial propaganda, or just don't care to do much research.

Shame isn't it, that the Imperial scum doesn't let others' culture and unique stories shine through. Some of the stuff we hear about, especially in Oblivion, is deluded and sifted through by the ones with the marionette strings.

To what extent, though? Reincarnation is a double-edged sword, it implies a death as well as birth, and among the names MK gave as avatars of Lorkhan, there sits an "N" without a name. How can the soul be re-born, if it is not killed?

The guys at corporate?

The way I see it, the Arcturian Heresy is a witness that Lorkhan must be sacrificed, until an accord between Ald and Shor is created. Being the prototypical Man, mortals will follow in their god's folly. Sure enough, death lives on.

It's little different from Morrowind's lore regarding the divine, except those delusions were actually debunked during the questlines. I think of Cyrodiil's as simply being more subtle.

Edit: In a way, the "surface lore" in just about every TES game is a bunch of distorted half-truths.

The Heresy bothers me. The story works so much better than the incredibly murky alternative, but the fact that it is a draft design document ruins it. It's like a forum hint post, not lore.