"I are all We"

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:08 am

Just a quick question. Has the quote "I are all we" been mislabelled to CHIM and instead it really describes The Amaranth? A few times know I've seen people describe CHIM with that quote and I was just wondering if they were using it correctly or not.
Thanks.
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lolli
 
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:59 pm

I are all We precedes CHIM, which precedes Amaranth.
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trisha punch
 
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:27 am

It'd the "DUDE! I'm everybody!" That is necessary for the "DUDE! I'm everybody but I'm still me" revelation.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:50 pm

Just take care not to literally lose yourself in a fit of automonomania.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:39 pm

automonomania.
That's Amaranth, to you.
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lydia nekongo
 
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:45 am

Why is it "The Amaranth," as opposed to simply "Amaranth?"
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Zoe Ratcliffe
 
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:32 pm

And remember "House of We", guys. It can't be accidental.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:31 pm

We all are I.

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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:40 pm

I feel like i'm at Shivering Isles right now, I do not understand anything you guys are saying o.o
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:33 am

I feel like i'm at Shivering Isles right now, I do not understand anything you guys are saying o.o

If you want, we could explain the nature of Kinetically-Interlinked Houses of the 5th-and-9th to you, and you may join us in our hearth-hold in Ald Sotha Below, which is blessed by the Digitals and the Lunar God who is gone, and you may partake of our Less-Anuic teas and herbs as we talk through many cycles regarding the ways of brane-space and the Green Tablet Steps of Jhunal.

Or at least, we could explain it if we knew ourselves.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:44 pm

If you want, we could explain the nature of Kinetically-Interlinked Houses of the 5th-and-9th to you, and you may join us in our hearth-hold in Ald Sotha Below, which is blessed by the Digitals and the Lunar God who is gone, and you may partake of our Less-Anuic teas and herbs as we talk through many cycles regarding the ways of brane-space and the Green Tablet Steps of Jhunal.

Or at least, we could explain it if we knew ourselves.

I would probably rather stay sane.

you are either impersonating Sheogorath on Skooma, or you are way too intelligent that my brain cannot even extend to the meaning of anything you said.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:42 pm

"I are all We" is a phrase taken from the Loveletter. It's a declaration of existence ("I AM") from a person who has CHIM, that is to say a person who has realized that he is also everyone else, too. Hence, "I [am and I] are all we." Why is he everyone else? The universe is really just the dream of a Godhead, with each person being a personality in this dream. Of course, no one realizes this, and everyone thinks that they are individuals who exist (I AM). CHIM is realizing that you're really just a fragment of someone's imagination, and therefore don't really exist, but then saying "screw it, I do exist," saying I AM, and remaining alive.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:28 pm

The name of 'we' is Not Provided. Don't listen to him.

The idea is simple enough: Chim's freedom of an individual from a stained conscience. Choice no longer falls in the axis of good and evil, Akatosh and Lorkhan. Harmony with himself and fellow man. Love becomes imperative, or else he is just a neurotic.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:50 am

"I are all We" is a phrase taken from the Loveletter. It's a declaration of existence ("I AM") from a person who has CHIM, that is to say a person who has realized that he is also everyone else, too. Hence, "I [am and I] are all we." Why is he everyone else? The universe is really just the dream of a Godhead, with each person being a personality in this dream. Of course, no one realizes this, and everyone thinks that they are individuals who exist (I AM). CHIM is realizing that you're really just a fragment of someone's imagination, and therefore don't really exist, but then saying "screw it, I do exist," saying I AM, and remaining alive.

of course though that the word "Exist" is normally put into meaning of just being able to detect it with all 5 senses, and if there is such thing as "Truly Existing", the mind would never be able to find out because it would require the senses, For an example, Try to think of a Color that you've never seen before in your life, or a color that some may say Doesn't exist because they've never seen it.
How is one to know 100% that they are just apart of some dude's imagination or the whole thing's just a dream? die? but even if done and there was an afterlife there's still the option in mind that even the afterlife is just a dream.

I read a book on Alteration magic and is closely related to this "Chim" thingy going on here, noticeably having to know that nothing is real and therefor physics no longer apply making you able to alter the world around you.

the only way i'm understanding this is putting it in the Matrix's perspective, lol

There Is No Spoon O.o
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:01 am

of course though that the word "Exist" is normally put into meaning of just being able to detect it with all 5 senses, and if there is such thing as "Truly Existing", the mind would never be able to find out because it would require the senses, For an example, Try to think of a Color that you've never seen before in your life, or a color that some may say Doesn't exist because they've never seen it.
That's a pretty unusual definition of existence. I've never seen Africa, but I can be pretty sure that it exists. A blind person can't see colors at all, but that doesn't mean that colors don't exist. Beyond that, the question of what it means to exist or to be (again with the "I am") is found in various forms in various religions and philosophies. TES offers one answer for itself, and because it is a universe that we invented, we can be relatively sure that what we invent is true (as opposed to the real world, where it is all conjecture).

How is one to know 100% that they are just apart of some dude's imagination or the whole thing's just a dream? die? but even if done and there was an afterlife there's still the option in mind that even the afterlife is just a dream.
They don't know; can't know. All senses confirm that one exists, is real. The Matrix comparison is valid - while in the Matrix, you think the Matrix is real. Except in TES, one can snap themselves out of the Matrix by realizing that it isn't real, and there is nothing outside of the illusion.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 6:46 pm

Live without limit, without menace. That's Chim. That's why so many fail.

No, Ordun's exactly right to wonder. How can one know they Truly exist, beyond limitation. How can one sense the Godhead, outside of knowing? If the Godhead is knowable, then the Godhead is limited. God is far from a relentless, alien terror.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:24 am

Live without limit, without menace. That's Chim. That's why so many fail.
Fail and evaporate. Null-summ. Puff! And "I am" comes "I am NOT".
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:17 pm

That's a pretty unusual definition of existence. I've never seen Africa, but I can be pretty sure that it exists. A blind person can't see colors at all, but that doesn't mean that colors don't exist.

Yeah but the senses would confirm it for most people, Although I'm also pretty sure Africa does exist too, it would be possible to convince someone that something exists when it doesn't, but that would require the whole world revolved around fooling you.

But i'm not exactly with the saying "Seeing is believing", seem's too dumb to limit your belief system to what your senses can pick up.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:09 pm

In a very real sense colours do not exist, I think.
They are a quale, an imagery of the mind, something the brain does when exposed to wavelengths of light.
You can say visible light with a wavelength of 650 nm. exists, but not red, as such.

Of course thats incredibly silly and red not existing doesnt prevent husbands the world over from ruining batches of laundry by putting a red sock in the machine, but there you go.

Solipsism was disproven once by someone kicking a rock on a beach but the details escape me at the moment.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:15 am

it would be possible to convince someone that something exists when it doesn't, but that would require the whole world revolved around fooling you
This is your first step to CHIM. Go on.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:31 pm

Solvitur Ambulando.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:19 pm

You know how when you're dreaming, and you realize you're dreaming, most of the time you wake up? With practice you can teach yourself to not wake up, and instead continue to inhabit the dream and do whatever you want, because it's your dream. "I are all We" is the moment you realize you're dreaming. CHIM is the ability to remain asleep.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:16 pm

In a dream, your senses are not responding to outside stimuli, your mind is creating stimuli with the intent of causing a response. Everything in the dream comes from within, it is all you. The godhead is Like that. I are all we is the recognition of this; Chim is the reconciliation of this with the I AM, I AM AND I ARE ALL WE being the statement with which subgradience is impossibly shattered and maintained at the same time. You become everything, you remain you.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:11 am

So what does COME TO THE HOUSE OF WE mean? I ARE ALL WE makes sense (Everyone is the same) and ONE WORLD IN SPIRIT I AM (The Godhead's mind is the universe), but COME TO THE HOUSE OF WE I cannot decipher.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:41 pm

Mundus is the House of Sithis, and Sithis is plurality, as in we, so Mundus is the House of We.
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