I'm not worried at all, in fact i'm going to embrace any changes with open arms. Aside from the UI which is was incredibly boring and lackluster, the game presented itself amazingly. VATS never got old, I had to strategize or I would die, and I was constantly rewarded for exploring.

Aside from VATS, i'd like to have a reason to go into a specific cave, or tomb. I want the place to tell a story. I think when developing Fallout 3, these are things Bethesda acknowledged and incorporated so I think it'd make sense to have them in Skyrim.

Yes to interesting world with lots of unique places and items to discover.

No to VATS, perks and guns.

I really wouldn't mind something like VATs, at least if they're going to continue having so many battles with allied NPCs or escort missions. I got into way too many friendly fire situations in Oblivion because of the fast-paced realtime nature of the game. You see a bad guy and ready your power attack, and just as you strike a friendly NPC runs in front of you and gets hit. "HIT ME ONCE MORE AND I WILL KILL YOU!!!"

Im not too worried. Bethesda should know we don't want guns, and VATS would be a nightmare...
The only thing I see potentially being implemented would be hardcoe mode as an optional mode, but I doubt we'll even see that...

I think Bethesda had their time to get away from TES, and know they miss it terribly...

Not at all,the two are different series and I think Bethesda sees that.They will certainly bring some of the good from Fallout over to TES but I can't see them putting in VATS or perks.

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You got it right in the end, but VATS was invented FOR FO3, and did not exist, as you said above, in FO1 or FO2. Those were turn based and did not need a VATS excuse to stop time.

TES games already have perks in them. you get perks everytime you become a journeyman, expert, or master at a skill. its exactly the same thing.

I got a kick out of the Fallout 3 console command to fill my spellbook. Said it added 50 or so spells. I never found them, but it was funny.

I definitely don't want to see V.A.T.s or Perks from Fallout, to me they have no place in The Elder Scrolls. That's what skills are for.

Honestly, I'm not worried about it at all. If anything, I'd welcome it as long as it wasn't too overboard. I wouldn't mind something like V.A.T.S. being implemented really, if the combat was still as god awful as it was in morrowind and oblivion. I hated it in both of them, and expected to hate it in Fallout 3, but thanks to V.A.T.S. I actually enjoyed combat. I expect, however, that combat is going to be revamped since Skyrim is going to use an all new engine, so I'm hoping they found some way to make the combat fun this time. In Oblivion I always turned the difficulty slider all the way down just because the combat was bad enough that I couldn't play more than 10-20 minutes without getting bored and shutting it off or playing something else. It wasn't hard, it was just repetitive. Experience points wouldn't be that bad, if it wasn't for the fact that it would pretty much require a level cap, which I do not want in a TES game. Wouldn't really mind perks, so long as they made them interesting other than stuff like "add 10 points to your blade skill" or "add 5 points to personality".

I'd hate it though if they decided to put in S.P.E.C.I.A.L. add a level cap, make it so you couldn't pick certain locks until your skill was a certain level, and just generally made it "Fallout with magic".

I agree.

I wouldn't be worried at all... Lots of studios develop more than one game series and keep them seperate

I agree with you completely - After playing MW, OB, then FO3 and FONV, then OB again I noticed that the quests in FONV are much more versatile than any of the other games. An impressive amount of the quests had multiple endings, and many of which also mattered for the game world. It felt like your actions actually had influence.



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Plus, you get them as quest rewards sometimes. For example after helping the Gray Prince your blade and block(?) skills are permanently increased by 2 or something. That could go as a 'perk' somewhat, too.

Last but not least, I do love crippling enemies and I think that location based damage as handled in Fallout would be great to see in TES too:
If I'm an archer, I want to be able to render my target immobile by shooting its knees, legs or wings. Dismemberment would be a bit too much (except for axes, maybe), but crippling is a must.

agreed! but maybe we should call them something else...hmm how bout feats?....oh wait thats dnd...hmmm how bout...yup cant think of anything else to call them that wont be considered an element of something else.
dam people. perks/feats? are you kidding, what rpg would not benefit from such a travesty? so long as there done right. who cares if they have the same name as something from fallout. and companions? aslong as they arent overpowered. its a great idea. who wouldnt want a buddie to go exploring with. "hey [censored] hold my [censored]"...."hmm ok give it here"....i guess what im getting at is that most of the stuff from FO people are saying they dont want in TES, is not exclusive stuff to FO in any way. so lets look at the big picture here. certain things from FO, and other rpg's, should be added to TES. and would make it even better than it has been in the past.

edit: after reading an above post "thats what skills are for"....we could call "perks" in TES "special skillz". yes with a z, then they wont be like anything from another game...OMGZ!!

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We are who we chose to be.

Some certain stuff is needed over Oblivion. Like the NPC/companion console. I would like to control my companions actions with a console. I should be able to order them to wait,follow and switch them to agressive or defensive stance. that was implemented in New Vegas and wouldn't hurt the Skyrim...

I'm not worried at all, if anything, Fallout 3 added some stuff I felt was missing from Oblivion, like children and some other stuff.

All i want from fallout is the hardcoe mode, and DISMEMBERING limbs! [censored] yeah thats what tes is missing is dismembering fallout style.
And people who say that tes shouldnt be gory, well screw you. You want realistic, gory is realistic.
And they COULD make a vats type thing work, if they made it a perk that you get when you get 100 agility and make it so you can only
do one attack and it takes like 2 minutes to recharge or something. That i can see, but is highly unlikely.

They should implement some things but not get carried away. Let's remember that TES is it's own game series, and that Skyrim is even going to have a brand new engine( :biggrin: ) and should have more COMPLETELY new features then ones from Fallout.

But I'd like to see the leveling system from FO ( or something like it ) in Skyrim. In Oblivion you could level by summoning creatures, then waiting, and repeating so that you could level. Or if you killed 15 guys with arrows and Marksman wasn't one of your skills then it was a waste. And dialogue. In TES:IV your speech options felt incredibly limited, and often scripted. I'd like to be more involved in conversations then sitting there and simply having the NPC's tell me " GO HERE! DO THIS! FIN HIM! KILL THAT GUY!"

Anyways I'll leave this decisions up to the Devs. Hopefully they'll know what to do to maximize this games level of playabilty, while staying true to TES series.

That's my two cents.

Why worry about Fallout's influence?

Do you seriously think they are going to introduce Guns, Super mutants, Radiation and mini Nukes or anything else completely inappropriate to the fantasy setting to Skyrim?

Both Fallout games have built on and improved on Oblivion.

If Skyrim had a story that changed depending on the role you chose to play, like New Vegas would that really be a bad thing?
If you could craft weapons from items you find in the environment like in Fallout 3 would that be a bad thing?
If unique items were powerful whatever level you find them at would that be a bad thing?

Fallout 3 took a lot from Oblivion, so it's only natural that their experience with Fallout have some impact on TES V. I doubt we'll see VATS of course. But things like the skill leveling system and leveled opponents are in dire need of an overhaul. The last time I played Oblivion I had a stack of sheets for planning out my skill gains. Standing in a corner casting heal 70 times so you can get a +5 wisdom bonus on level is the balls.

I am not worried. FNV contains a lot of very good ideas about game mechanic, which may find their way to TES V, developed further, and be perfectly in place.

"Perks" are essentially already in Elder Scrolls via enchanting & spellmaking IMO....no need to really introduce any others.

You can exploit the level system that way in the previous 3 TES games, and it would surprise me if you can't in Skyrim. Personally I wouldn't play a game that way, I don't see the fun in it.