Are Dragons now part of the wilderness for future lore? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:45 am

In Morrowind, we see Sixth House stragglers after Dagoth Ur is defeated.

In Oblivion, the Oblivion Gates close but The Infernal City confirms that the Oblivion Gates left thier "mark" (ruins) and Sul succesfully opens another one by ritual.

Now in Skyrim, after Alduin is dead and done, Dragons still linger here and there since technically you banished Alduin, not *all* Dragons.

So my point in question is: Are Dragons gonna be part of any future lore when it comes to any, well, future lore years from the time in Skyrim? (Look at it this way: Years from now (as in years from the 4E), would Dragons be a common enemy or common game for hunts?)

Apologies if I was not clear.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:57 pm

Perhaps, MQ Spoilers follow

Spoiler

If Paarthurnax living is canon he may convert the majority to pacifism, leaving only a few dragons as bosses

And on a side note, would all of the ash monsters/Corprus patients have been killed in the Red Mountain debacle?

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:04 am

Perhaps, MQ Spoilers follow

Spoiler

If Paarthurnax living is canon he may convert the majority to pacifism, leaving only a few dragons as bosses

And on a side note, would all of the ash monsters/Corprus patients have been killed in the Red Mountain debacle?

Well, their not lava, high impact, or cave-in resistant, so a lot of the surviving corpus beasts and ash monsters would have went the way of everyone else. As for the corpus patients of Divyath Fyr, that would depend on how much foresight Fyr had in relation to the red year, and what measures he had taken in case of an emergency. (assuming he survived)

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:24 pm

I doubt it, Depends on the setting though, say we get Alinor. I'm sure we won't see our winged buddies.
Only with a return to Skyrim, or maybe Highrock. But I think they'll just say all of the last dragons that lived after Alduins defeat have died/been killed.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Or it's possible the Dragonborn can do a St. Juib and drive all the dragons out of Nirn :teehee:

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:16 pm

I don't think they will be a typical sight, like Mudcrabs, but I think the occasional one will pop up as a 'suprise'.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:10 am

Or it's possible the Dragonborn can do a St. Juib and drive all the dragons out of Nirn :teehee:

LOOOOL

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:31 am

LOOOOL

Just for the record, I was kidding

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:27 pm

Dragons were a natural part of the world to begin with, and dragons were around at the begining of the third era anyway so I don't see why they wouldn't be. Gamewise, likely not, but lorewise I don't see why Beth decided to make them have left the world anyway.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:12 pm

Dragons were a natural part of the world to begin with, and dragons were around at the begining of the third era anyway so I don't see why they wouldn't be. Gamewise, likely not, but lorewise I don't see why Beth decided to make them have left the world anyway.

That is exactly what I mean. Since they were here first (supposedly), I just wonder if they will stay lore wise.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:20 am

I think those infected with Corprus would still be alive.. Just.. Horrible and ugly.
I want to see one now.

Though ah.. I think Dragons will likely scatter around the world or hang around dude-guy and learn his mystic ways and likely become dragon hermits. I would greatly enjoy it if some became large winged secluded wizards rather than RAGH RAGH I EAT YOUR KING.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:28 am

I'd like to meet more with the Naffaliargus mentality. ya know, where they each have a personality, desires, wants and needs as well as developed political thought. It'd be cool to wander in on a dragon who drums up a nice discussion on politics and the world before I try and steal their treasure and they get all pissed.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:21 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/there-be-dragons

Dragons cannot reproduce ?

If this is true and counts as a retcon; then they might just all get killed before the end of the 4th era and disappear again.

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:20 pm

There are not supposed to be dead until a dragonborn absorbs their souls, aren't they? So as long as the last known Dragonborn doesn't fully do her homework, there will still be some wandering around. And the main quest ends with a big question about that too.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:32 am

There are not supposed to be dead until a dragonborn absorbs their souls, aren't they? So as long as the last known Dragonborn doesn't fully do her homework, there will still be some wandering around. And the main quest ends with a big question about that too.

If a dragon (or the dragonborn) absorbs another dragon's soul, then that dragon can never come back. However, they don't seem to be able to bring themselves back, so as long as you kill the dragon's body and prevent any other dragons from reaching it, that would keep them from getting up again.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:53 pm

There are not supposed to be dead until a dragonborn absorbs their souls, aren't they? So as long as the last known Dragonborn doesn't fully do her homework, there will still be some wandering around. And the main quest ends with a big question about that too.

They won't really be dead without their soul absorbed, true. But that would just mean that they'll lay underground again till Alduin wakes them up again, When the Kalpa will truly end.

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:29 am

If a dragon (or the dragonborn) absorbs another dragon's soul, then that dragon can never come back.

I still say the Dragonborn can revive the dragons of the souls he's absorbed, after learning the appropriate shout. I hope some DLC explores this idea.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:48 pm

I don't think they will be a typical sight, like Mudcrabs, but I think the occasional one will pop up as a 'suprise'.

This, but replace 'suprise' with 'plot'.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:09 am

I think it is that Alduin is the only Dov who can revive the Dragons- after all, they didn't come back before he did. Only a Dragonborn can keep Alduin from bringing them back.

With Alduin gone, they're pretty much boned no matter what- the only difference is, if someone like Paarth were to learn Slen Tiid Vo, he could bring them back (of course, I think Alduin was the only one who COULD do it, hence why other Dragons didn't just revive their brethren in the first place.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:19 pm

I think it is that Alduin is the only Dov who can revive the Dragons- after all, they didn't come back before he did. Only a Dragonborn can keep Alduin from bringing them back.

With Alduin gone, they're pretty much boned no matter what- the only difference is, if someone like Paarth were to learn Slen Tiid Vo, he could bring them back (of course, I think Alduin was the only one who COULD do it, hence why other Dragons didn't just revive their brethren in the first place.

Though it took nearly 4000 years before dragons were nearly wiped out the first time (this with the Dragon War, the Dragonguard's arrival, and Reman's purges). A few were noted in Skyrim to have never been killed (Ahbiilok, Mirmulnir, and Paarthurnax; Nafahlaar too, unless you think that's the real name of Nafaalilargus), so who knows how many others could've survived this whole time.

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:57 pm

Dragons didn't just show up because Alduin was attacking Skyrim. There's been dragons in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/twin-secretsand http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Skakmat, long before TES V.

So, it stands to reason that there'll be dragons afterwards, as well. They might not be common or particularly varied (just like how they cut back on the Daedra), but they'll almost definitely exist. They're too cool to just forget about.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:02 pm

I still say the Dragonborn can revive the dragons of the souls he's absorbed, after learning the appropriate shout. I hope some DLC explores this idea.

I've been tossing that idea in my head around as well, but so far, there's still too little data to say that dragon resurrection is possible for non-Alduin individuals.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:32 am

Dragons didn't just show up because Alduin was attacking Skyrim. There's been dragons in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/twin-secretsand http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Skakmat, long before TES V.

So, it stands to reason that there'll be dragons afterwards, as well. They might not be common or particularly varied (just like how they cut back on the Daedra), but they'll almost definitely exist. They're too cool to just forget about.

Thanks for the links

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:58 am

Dragons will return for good and with them the Blades. I don't mean the pity-full binary organization that you find in Skyrim but the mighty dragon hunters of old. I doubt that there will be any dragon born's after Skyrim as traditionally your character is the most powerful mortal in the game world. Of course, nothing stops them from turning the next dragon born into an evil, necromantic lunatic, set on destroying the world with his dragon army and make it your job to stop him.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Dragons will return for good and with them the Blades. I don't mean the pity-full binary organization that you find in Skyrim but the mighty dragon hunters of old. I doubt that there will be any dragon born's after Skyrim as traditionally your character is the most powerful mortal in the game world. Of course, nothing stops them from turning the next dragon born into an evil, necromantic lunatic, set on destroying the world with his dragon army and make it your job to stop him. :biggrin:

I'd rather be stabbed in the back by a mudcrab...

Also: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Book_of_the_Dragonborn

Alduin's wall mentions something of the same, that only the last dragonborn can kill Alduin. I still take that to mean that you are the last dragonborn ever.

OT: Anybody else having problems with TIL? The site seems to be down, or at least really slow most of the time...