Are shotguns bugged outside of VATS? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:46 am

They only do like 1/3 damage outside of vats, and thats at point blank range straight into the chest. What's the deal? No one else notriced this?

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:34 am

They only do like 1/3 damage outside of vats, and thats at point blank range straight into the chest. What's the deal? No one else notriced this?

Damage seems to be the same in and out of VATS for me. Make sure you are stationary and not moving when you shoot outside of VATS, any movement on your part, i.e. backpedaling or strafing, will cause the spread of the weapon to drastically increase, and thus decrease the damage done.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:34 am

Damage seems to be the same in and out of VATS for me. Make sure you are stationary and not moving when you shoot outside of VATS, any movement on your part, i.e. backpedaling or strafing, will cause the spread of the weapon to drastically increase, and thus decrease the damage done.

I'm not moving and I'm aiming down the sites and have the gun maybe 10 inches from the torse of the test subject. The shotgun is clearly doing 1/3 of the damage its supposed to be, both the carcan shotgun and the sawed off.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:58 am

I'm not moving and I'm aiming down the sites and have the gun maybe 10 inches from the torse of the test subject. The shotgun is clearly doing 1/3 of the damage its supposed to be, both the carcan shotgun and the sawed off.

theres a thing called Damage Threshold. If your weapon damage is lower than their Armor's DT than you will hit low damage.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:59 am

theres a thing called Damage Threshold. If your weapon damage is lower than their Armor's DT than you will hit low damage.

What does that have to do with anything??? I'm comparing VATS damage with non VATs damage. Are you suggesting that DT doesn't count when you are in VATS or did you not bother to read the thread?

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:11 pm

I'm not moving and I'm aiming down the sites and have the gun maybe 10 inches from the torse of the test subject. The shotgun is clearly doing 1/3 of the damage its supposed to be, both the carcan shotgun and the sawed off.

This is irrelevant. The series is stat & skill based. Damage [and even aim!] is defined by the PC's ability. The onscreen gun is just for show. (Ideally you should be able to outright miss with the barrel pressed to the target; your personal aim is only supposed to indicate a target.).

**Chalk it up to the awkward transition to 3D FPS.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:47 am

This is irrelevant. The series is stat & skill based. Damage [and even aim!] is defined by the PC's ability. The onscreen gun is just for show. (Ideally you should be able to outright miss with the barrel pressed to the target).

**Chalk it up to the awkward transition to 3D FPS. Your personal aim is only supposed to indicate a target.

ridiculous. I'm far more accurate with sniper rifle outside of VATS than in it, even with only 50 guns. Further, I'm close enough to get 95% in VATS mod, so the idea skill has any effect on the aim is completely irrelevant-- not that I believe hat for a second mind you.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:21 am

ridiculous. I'm far more accurate with sniper rifle outside of VATS than in it, even with only 50 guns. Further, I'm close enough to get 95% in VATS mod, so the idea skill has any effect on the aim is completely irrelevant-- not that I believe hat for a second mind you.

In Fallout 1 & 2 there was no shooting at random; you had no option to take personal aim... The PC shot at what you indicated (and could always miss). In Fallout 3 they kept the PC skill aspect and the gun's accuracy is reduced if there is a lack of skill with the weapon. It has always been the case that you could miss (and must remain so)
*Regardless of where the player presses the muzzle, the shot is fired by the PC and uses the PC's ability to aim.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:48 am

In Fallout 1 & 2 there was no shooting at random; you had no option to take personal aim... The PC shot at what you indicated (and could always miss). In Fallout 3 they kept the PC skill aspect and the gun's accuracy is reduced if there is a lack of skill with the weapon. It has always been the case that you could miss (and must remain so)
*Regardless of where the player presses the muzzle, the shot is fired by the PC and uses the PC's ability to aim.

What the heck is your point dude? You keep going on about this irrelevant stuff. I'm not missing. I'm at POINT BLANK range. Even if it were missing "partially", the damage done would fluctuate-- it doesnt. Stop talking about FO1 and 2.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:00 am

Ive found long distance VATS shots to be far inferior to real time. I may have like a 15% chance to hit the midsection in VATS, yet its an instant hit out of it.

EDIT: Ive also noticed the whole shotgun damage is a bit off, then again there seems to be a whole lot of bugs with combat. Guns not firing, guns hitting but doing no damage and other strange things.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:52 am

I think it's the opposite for me; in VATS I do 1/3 dmg with my shotty, and do more outside. But I noticed that aiming down the sights actually makes my spread seem to get wider, not tighter. Could just be me though.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:57 am

Works fine for me. One thing is just how shotguns work. You hit the creature multiple times each doing little damage but, perhaps, a high total damage. So if you don't overcome the damage threshold they do little damage. If you're aiming for the chest because it's easy outside of vats and for the head in vats you'll get totally differant results. Pretty much I don't see much point to them outside of vats without surprise attacks and bonuses for crits. If they're too far away to use vats then they are too far for a shotgun. If you're taking more than one shot with a shotgun you're attacking the wrong creature with it. Use a sub-machinegun instead.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:30 am

I think it's the opposite for me; in VATS I do 1/3 dmg with my shotty, and do more outside. But I noticed that aiming down the sights actually makes my spread seem to get wider, not tighter. Could just be me though.

That's probably because you are using the VATS when the enemy is more in medium range, and you arent getting full damage. But that's a completely different story than this what I'm seeing.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:43 am

What the heck is your point dude? You keep going on about this irrelevant stuff. I'm not missing. I'm at POINT BLANK range. Even if it were missing "partially", the damage done would fluctuate-- it doesnt. Stop talking about FO1 and 2.

Well the point was that you should be able to miss at point blank... but since you are speaking of variations in damage... I dunno (other than I would expect that to happen always :shrug:)

I haven't noticed anything odd, but then I have only used the single shotgun in-game.

I'll go have a look....

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:11 pm

Works fine for me. One thing is just how shotguns work. You hit the creature multiple times each doing little damage but, perhaps, a high total damage. So if you don't overcome the damage threshold they do little damage. If you're aiming for the chest because it's easy outside of vats and for the head in vats you'll get totally differant results. Pretty much I don't see much point to them outside of vats without surprise attacks and bonuses for crits. If they're too far away to use vats then they are too far for a shotgun. If you're taking more than one shot with a shotgun you're attacking the wrong creature with it. Use a sub-machinegun instead.

you don't see a point outside of VATs because they are bugged for some reason currently and only doing a fraction of the damage. Did you bother to read the thread?

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:27 am

I just tried the single shotgun in Primm. It took 3 shots to kill a settler in the casino. The first shot was free aim, the second in Vats, and it showed 4 bars (each side) on the health meter and left 4 when I exited VATS. The last shot was free aim and killed them.

Are you describing that they do 1/3 of the usual damage outside of Vats ?
If this was happening in my game, then the last shot would not have damaged enough to kill them.

Is this the same for you when playing other PC's?

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:27 am

First of all chill out nobody cares you having are having a problem they just decided to help you. Second of all what I read from the fallout wiki VATS gives you 10% increase in damage. This may just be enough to give you that one to overcome their damage threshold. But thats just a guess.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:41 am

First of all chill out nobody cares you having are having a problem they just decided to help you. Second of all what I read from the fallout wiki VATS gives you 10% increase in damage. This may just be enough to give you that one to overcome their damage threshold. But thats just a guess.

Where did you read this?
In FO3 you got a crit bonus in VATS, not a damage bonus. You can chill out. I don't care what you think nor your bunk information. Works both ways. I'm not here to spend all day having to explain basic english to people who respond without properly reading the thread. Not my job.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:25 am

I just tried the single shotgun in Primm. It took 3 shots to kill a settler in the casino. The first shot was free aim, the second in Vats, and it showed 4 bars (each side) on the health meter and left 4 when I exited VATS. The last shot was free aim and killed them.

Are you describing that they do 1/3 of the usual damage outside of Vats ?
If this was happening in my game, then the last shot would not have damaged enough to kill them.

Is this the same for you when playing other PC's?

Your test is horrible. Go get a higher armored NPC, heck, get a companion and test it so they won't move. Kill the NPC and count hot many shots it takes in VATS, do the same for non-VATS shots. Make sure you hit point blank cause they will start to move away and flinch in pain after they get crippled torsos. Now compare them.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:12 am

Your test is horrible. Go get a higher armored NPC, heck, get a companion and test it so they won't move. Kill the NPC and count hot many shots it takes in VATS, do the same for non-VATS shots. Make sure you hit point blank cause they will start to move away and flinch in pain after they get crippled torsos. Now compare them.

...And why exactly would I wish to do that? :spotted owl:

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:56 pm

Why?

Are you for real dude?

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:52 am

Your test is horrible. Go get a higher armored NPC, heck, get a companion and test it so they won't move. Kill the NPC and count hot many shots it takes in VATS, do the same for non-VATS shots. Make sure you hit point blank cause they will start to move away and flinch in pain after they get crippled torsos. Now compare them.

Why don't you try it yourself? Because I doubt you're going to get much more replies with how rude you're being to everyone for no apparent reason.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:11 am

Does anyone else see that this kid...
A- Is being a dike to people trying to help.
B- Doesn't understand that their responses do have to do with what he's talking about.
C- Probably doesn't understand his own thread.
D- Should probably go play a different game.

Kid you need to shut the hell up and stop being a [censored] to people responding to your thread. You asked for help and you are being a little [censored] about it. Next time don't ask anyone for help.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:50 pm

Why don't you try it yourself? Because I doubt you're going to get much more replies with how rude you're being to everyone for no apparent reason.

I'm not being rude. I'm correcting rudeness. it's rude to respond to a thread you don't even bother to read before you write your post. And i already "tried it myself". I spent a long time testing it, so i didn't waste peoples time with a useless post. it does approximately 1/3 damage. it's either a bug or intended balance measures. just want to know which, and if it's going to be fixed if it's a bug,.

» Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:21 am

I'm not being rude. I'm correcting rudeness. it's rude to respond to a thread you don't even bother to read before you write your post. And i already "tried it myself". I spent a long time testing it, so i didn't waste peoples time with a useless post. it does approximately 1/3 damage. it's either a bug or intended balance measures. just want to know which, and if it's going to be fixed if it's a bug,.

Hey, everyone just stop replying to this kid. It's not worth it, he can't understand what everyone else here seems to understand perfectly. The responses have been valid ones. This child is just clearly a jerk. Vendur--get off the board, throw the game away, and go argue with 9 year olds while playing COD.