The Argonians are kind of presented as scummy in the lore and here are some examples.
-They sold their own into slavery, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Argonian
-Stole ancient Dunmer Lands which the Dunmer didn't even take back from the Argonians after winning the Arnesian War. http://www.uesp.net/...ore:Black_Marsh
-They are controlled by nazi/hippy-like (Never thought that comparison could be made but it sticks) trees known as the Hist. And nowhere does it state the Dunmer actually cut down Hist trees that I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong. This http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Seed is full of BS and can hardly be credible.
-The Hist held prior knowledge of the Oblivion Crisis and didn't see fit to share it with the rest of the races thus resulting in many preventable deaths. Also risking all of Nirn. The Argonians knew and could have shared it but were selfish and only had their own selfish aims in mind. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hist
-They took advantage of that knowledge to make themselves stronger and then invaded a battered and weakened Morrowind.
-They clearly invaded for revenge and instigated an attempted genocide. Against a people who had been under the thumb of traditions and the Tribunal and just had fought a Bloody Civil War between house Hlaalu and Dres against the Houses of Redoran and Indoril to abolish slavery. Spilling Dunmer blood for the sake of Argonians.
-They truly lived up to the Dunmeri view of them.

So yeah, even though some of their actions are kind of understandable. They are NOT in the right. And they certainly committed incredible atrocities. Much worse than anything the Dunmer have ever done. If not for the CoC the world would be under Mehrunes Dagons thumb because of the Argonians and the Hist. They risked all of Nirn for selfish gain. It seems the Dunmer were correct and they really are scum. But that is just my opinion based off of facts.

What are yours?

Nah, you can't judge a whole race by the actions of a few people.

My opinion is they have idiots in charge, and all the civilians aren't to blame.

There's good and bad, smart and stupid, strong and weak, fast and slow, in EVERY group. Just because the leaders cheated and lied their way to the top, doesn't mean the entire race is bad.

an interesting perspective thats for sure

Exactly how they ought to be, as I plan on playing an evil maniac Argonian. :flamethrower:

this doesn't really fit in the skyrim forum though

Dunmer are scum, but scum has some pretty tough mages like that chick in the Shivering Isles or that 3000 year old Telvani guy. (Can't remember names for the life of me :sadvaultboy: )

No but you can judge a few people by the actions of their whole race.

Are Argonians in the right?

Of Course they are. They're Argonians. They're always in the right.

Unless they have round pupils.

as far as this is related to skyrim, how do the nords in power and the rrst of Skyrim see the argonians in power since they're just hanging out next door (a door the kicked in)?

Yeah, since when are cultures taking over land owned by others ever for a reason other than revenge or greed? It's a part of nearly every ancient society.

Divayth Fyr? He's actually closer to 4000, from what I remember

No you can't...

Pretty much all the things you listed occur in the real world all the time. Does that mean all humans are scum? No, not at all. All those actions were likely at the discretion of some power-hungry elite argonian leader. Not all argonians are like this. Sure, those who were in charge can rightly be called scum, but no the entire race.

well, Im not going to attack any of them on sight but let me tell you, I will keep one hand on my weapon.

also, bunch of n'wah lovers in here.

Much as any prejudiced argument can be destroyed, the red flag is "they," "they," "they," "they." An individual is not responsible for the actions of their ancestors or even the contemporary members of their race. I voted no.

While I think many of the Dunmer probably deserved what happened, I would not say all Dunmer were scum. Some actively worked against the reprehensible slavery and such, and even ended it by Oblivion's time.

This is ridiculously inappropriate.

The Argonians? No. The Hist? Maybe.

I won't be surprised if the reason they didn't tell anyone about the Oblvion Crisis was to get revenge on Men and Mer, because their ancestors killed many, many Hist during the Dawn Era.

No the Argonians are doing what's right.

Some of them sold their kind yes but that was a few not many, also the dunmer DID enslave them I would have taken holy lands to if my people were slaves and about the " Hist knowing the future" part they COULD have told the other races yes but who would have believed them? Or maybe everyone would think they planned the emperors assassination. They did what they had to, to survive and in my book the argonians did made the same choices as I would have because I would rather survive a invasion by daedra than tell everyone and possibly be invaded by every other outlying nation because honestly who would believe tree's besided the people that worshipped them? And if they were believed many nations would be suscipicous of the fact that they knew the emeperor would be killed and know that that would cause the gates of oblivion to be opened.

The masses wouldn't but the insiders and loremasters would.The Emperor, Ocato, Jauffre, Hasphat Antabolis, Divayth Fyr, maybe even the Nerevarine would have understood.Adding those Graybeards (or whatever their name is) to the list.

Some Dunmer were rude scum, but we shouldn't generalize.Same goes for the Argonians.
Some Dunmer enslaved fellow Dunmer.Some Argonians sold Argonian slaves.
Argonians probably had greedy leaders and the Dark Elves had Helseth, who tried to kill you twice :facepalm:
The way they attacked Morrowind after a Civil War and the crash of Lie Rock wasn't necessary brave...but war never changes.

The title should be changed to 'Are the An-Xileel/Argonians of Black Marsh Scum?'. No you cannot judge a whole race but you can judge a society by it's actions.
And also, anyone who has ever cited slavery as an argument against Dumner is really in no position to oppose this argument.

In my opinion? The argonians may have been the nice mistreated underdogs in the past, but as people disregard more sinister actions from the past, surely we must also disregard the good? Regarding the lore we know, the argonians have clearly switched sides, formed up with the An-Xileel (it's not all about Hist puppetry, they're regarded as the only reason Black Marsh wasn't conquered in OB), and are now even more xenophobic than the Dumner (don't they consider argonians who had spend too long outside of Black Marsh as exiled?).

They look cool, but they'd look cooler as a pair of boots.

I feel almost feel sorry for them: They can turn into brainwashed killers any minute, because of those ploughing Hist trees. Cut them down, cut them doooownn!!!

No, they are not scum. And you can't make any assumptions about the Hist, because they are one of the oldest races in Tamriel, and we know almost nothing about them. The Argonians have been oppressed by the Dunmer for hundreds of years and if slavery is anything like it was in Colonial Europe, than the Argonians had every right to attack Morrowind in retaliation.

No, I think they are brave and honest. Their ways are different but all the Argonian npcs I met were either reasonable or plain funny. Amusei comes to mind
Also Ruined-Tail is probably my best bond with a TES character, ever.

palease man, the idea that anyone has any right to attack a nation full of people who probably never owned slaves or had anything to do with it because of slavery is absurd. I've said this in several threads like this, by that logic African slaves would have every right to there in revolt and murder every white they came across because of slavery then.