Im working on a mod right now and i need info... I need to know if the various daedric princes are tied to the magic schools...

for example Azura would be tied to mysticism, Mehruz Dagon tied to Destruction ect.

Nope. Magical schools are arbitrary and artificial. Cultural, you might say.

Quite the opposite, actually. Magic apells draw their energy from Aetherius, which is Oblivion's(where Daedra reside)counterpart.

However, many Daedra use magic.

The sun shines in Oblivion too.

But is it the same sun, or a different one?

The same one.

The same.


And remember that Daedric realms are built with Aetherial excess. They're counterparts, but not complete opposites.

But how do we know for sure that they are the same sun?

The same way I know that I'm experiencing a schizophrenic conversation with a stubborn figment of my own mind right now.

Your evidence to the contrary? The sun doesn't have to be visible in a Nirn-like sky. Oblivion realms do have a location, and magicka isn't dependent on exposure to sunlight.

the daedric planes are within the same oblivion as mundus. the same tatters of magnus exist throughout its terminus.

Your evidence for it? There could always be another sun.

Mundus and the daedric realms are within the same dimension. There.

That doesn't give any evidence that there is only one sun. There can be more than one sun in a dimension. Heck, every one of the stars could be suns.

There is only one evidence of a giant hole in Oblivion and that is Magnus. No other mention exists.

Don't cover me with this nonsense please. It's meaningless especially when its' understood magicka is the resource of sorcery and material, and it solely originates in Aetherius.

Don't cover me with this nonsense of anyone in the game actually knowing how it works. All things involving it have been written in an in-game perspective. And we still don't fully understand how the RL universe works, so it's nonsense to even imagine that anyone in the TES universe understands it fully (or even mostly, for that matter).

And what evidence do you have to show otherwise when our understanding of the universe is covered within such small texts? We work with what we have. If you want to cover an alternative, then write your own [censored] vision of cosmology.

Even in real-life sciences, we work with what we have. We can't just make [censored] up with possibilities. No one takes that seriously.

With modern techniques, we almost certainly know a lot more about the universe than a few wizards and daedra worshippers would know about their universe. I'm not making up a version, I'm just applying RL cosmology as a possibility.

And last time I checked, no one took a lot of things in modern cosmology seriously when they were first envisioned.

Hey, we're not given a constant stream of data like modern techniques. Devs don't work to be lore machines. Resources aren't always allocated to create a fake universe. Scholastic knowledge is always going to be limited in TES in every aspect. We can't make new theories unlike these scientists.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml

One could imagine the Wheel as being made up of several levels, such as the skins of an onion or the layers of the Earth's core. The Mundus is at the centre. Surrounding it on all sides is Oblivion. Surrounding Oblivion on all sides is Aetherius. As stated in the above link, the sun (Magnus) is the largest rift between Aetherius and Oblivion.

So you're saying there could be more than one Magnus-spirit up there, but the people on Nirn, which is the center of the Universe, does not experience for some reason, but other places do?
Are you even aware of what the sun is? I really think you are, because I'm certain I've seen you talk about it. But now, I don't know. Anyway. It's not a giant ball made out of burning gas. It's a hole.

As for "ever star could be suns", you're absolutly right. Stars are also holes to Aetherius, but much smaller ones. No burning gasballs. Small holes.


People in TES has enough technology to have much more knowledge about their universe than we could know about us. They've sent people into both Oblivion and Aetherius several times.


http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/arena_supermundus.shtml

edit: Of course, there's always the possibility that the TES world is just myth, legend and lies. All of it. It could be just like our world, and, for example, men, mer, argonians and everything inhabiting the planet could have evolved into what they are. Dark Elves was not changed into what they are by Azura's curse, they evolved into it! "The survival of the fittest" ensured that only the ones with thick skin survived. The skins became so thick they became gray. And so on, and so forth. I've put out that theory before, just for fun at that time, but no one really listened?
Why? Because it's not really that fun. It's not as interesting as TES would be if all the myths and legends and lies were true.

Strictly speaking he could be right. All the other holes could be just further away, exactly like our stars, and Oblivion Realms could just be planets in other "solar systems" of Oblivion with a hole which is close to them. Notice how the sun in SI is smaller? Perhaps it's our sun further away, perhaps it's their sun (another hole) much much closer.

The only thing which TRULY opposes such theory is that Magnus was supposedly tearing the biggest hole. HOWEVER we know that the Realms are infinite, which means the holes are all infinite. We also know (oddly enough from RL math) that infinities can be different sized. So this STILL doesn't contradict his theory. If you were far enough from Nirn's "Sun" and close enough to some other hole/star you'd perceive it as your "sun".

Stop persecuting Galileo you Catholic extremists! Seriously tho, when did the "scholary" aspect die? And don't tell me "when Oblivion came out" because it's lore only svcks as much as the so-called lore-masters who say so.

Did you miss my edit? Because there I said that it could be true, but it isn't as much fun. :foodndrink:

Bit of a gap in that reasoning. The holes may or may not be infinite. The realms may or may not be infinite. I can't find any confirmation for those. But Oblivion, that big black thing you look at when you see the sky at night is infinite. Therefore, the distance between Nirn and any stars, and a realm and the any star, would be equally infinite. Equidistantly infinite. You can't have a "closer" or "farther away".

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml?

Space is the interpretation of Oblivion, which is black and empty and surrounds the mortal plane. Space is infinite, but it acts just like a planet, in that Oblivion is 'surrounded' by Aetherius. You can see Aetherius by the stars.

What are stars?

The stars are the bridges to Aetherius, the magic plane. They are perceived as holes on the inside surface of space. Because they are on the inside of a sphere, all stars are equidistant from Nirn. Larger stars, therefore, are not closer to the mortal plane, they are just larger tears in Oblivion. The largest tear in Oblivion is Magnus, the sun.

This particular theory doesn't imply that anything is a lie. It actually is in sync with what the in game materials and legends say. The difference is just in your point of view.

If you think that all Realms have the same Sun (Magnus-hole) then you're looking at it rather centroid-like with no aspect of distance. His theory however seems more plausible to me, because it takes distance into account, and varying points of view (in the sense of originating viewer, not "scholary points of view).

Your edit suggests he's somehow contradicting all the lore, which I can't seem to agree with. (doesn't mean that his views are right, but they are as much plausible as the old ones).