Considering people here support the Enclave and Thalmor, I'm not surprised people support the Vampires

If you have noticed mainstream TES vampires are good compared to freelance, ones that live in caves. Vampires minus the Volkihar have been minding there own business, until the Dawnguard started to stir the pot.

Example 1: Janus Hassildor even though he is a vampire he sends you on a mission to kill them, because he finds vampires evil and dangerous.

Example 2: Rona Hassildor refuses to feed, for various reasons and would rather die than drink blood and harm someone.

Example 3.: Someone already said this but the Vampyrum Order in Cyrodiil gets rid of criminals, and feeds on sleeping people so, it won't harm them and the victim won't attack.

Example 4: If you join the Volkihar, you get missions to kill other vampires that are considered feral, to prevent them from turning humans and overfeeding.

Example 5: In Dawnguard the vampires took the time to design a potion (blood potion) to replace blood, so they don't have to feed on humans all the time. They still feed on humans though, but that amount must have been reduced due to the potion.



All in all the vampire factions regulate themselves, and enforce strict rules to protect their food source. Violating one of their codes of conduct results in immediate execution.

I can't stand how vampires are in skyrim. I can see some being insane, killing and mad with power. Like alot of skyrims people are that are not vampires. But all of them living with body parts laying around and blood everywhere is just dumb. It seems when becoming a vampire most become a mindless killing machine with poor cleaning abilitys. So yeah dawnguard killing vamps in skyrim seems ok since no vamp seems to have any self control. I like the vamps with brains that try and blend in and work along side people. With more personality then must drink blood and scatter body parts around.

Necromancers. Necromancers everywhere.

Call me crazy, but blood svcking diseased humans who's disease comes from a daedra lord that likes to [censored] women would definately go under the "unnatural list". But what do I know? People need to stop thinking of them as a race. They're not a race, more like humans with a very bad disease. At best, they're mutants. Its only natural when change happens through evolution, not through a [censored] Daedra Lord, lol. And theres nothing that says a daedra needs souls to maintain power, since they were powerful waaay before mortals were even in the picture. All in all, I see the argument that "they want to eradicate a whole race for what they naturally do" to be extremely comical. Bears among other things eat humans, but we dont try to eradicate them. Vamps not only feed on humans, but they spread their disease, and enslave the minds of people, and make them their slaves as well. THAT'S why they're trying to eradicate them.

You got that backwards, guy. They wouldn't have made the Dawnguard if vamps weren't a problem. They brought it on themselves. And Harkon may have made that blood potion, but he still has thralls and plans to block out the sun. And those blood potions are probably just human blood in a bottle, so its not like they made a food source that didnt involve humans. They're not minding their own business at all. At least the volkihar vamps arent.

You got it wrong.

Right when you start Dawnguard the backstory of why the Dawnguard was created once more was revealed.

The Vigilants of Stendaar riled up every Vampire in Skyrim including the most powerful Vampires in Skyrim, the Volkihar. (though its not revealed how)

Isran fearing what the Vampires would do left the Vigilants and went to the old Fort Dawnguard to rebuild it for his own safety and the safety of others and even asked other Vigilants to help but they said it wasnt a problem and its not worth fixing up, they as you know ended up all getting slaughtered and their main base in Skyrim destroyed which prompted Isran to start the order of the Dawnguard up again once again for his own protection and the protection of others since he has seen the strength of a clan of Vampires angered.

They weren't a problem until the Vigilants I assume started attacking them more openly.

The Volkihar from all reports WERE minding their own business until then since they had their own stable of human cattle already.

They gave up searching for a way to blot out the sun until you free Serana..also because of the Vigilants.

Technically you could say the Dawnguard was formed again out of fear.

I was referring to when the Dawnguard was originally made, so not wrong. The second time around they may have been "minding their own business" but they're still killing and enslaving humans, so although its not on a wide scale, we can hardly call that minding their own business. If they truly want to stay to themselves, they'd keep their feeding to bandits and other such criminals. They need to try being more intelligent like the Cyrodiil vamps.

Wasn't the original Dawnguard made to protect the son of the Jarl of Riften who had become a Vampire?

a.k.a Trap him in the dungeons of the Fort (which I haven't ever seen but the story says there is one)

Then once they all saw the power of the Jarl's son they all eventually became vampires themselves?

Not very noble and good in my opinion.

The only vampire hunting Dawnguard to my knowledge is the current one, the original was made to guard one.

Indeed, but they still hunted vampires while protecting him.

Whoever turned the Jarl's son was an idiot to bring such attention on them.

That goes to show you though, the original Dawnguard isn't anymore pure than the current one.

The original Dawnguard all accepted the gift of Vampirism when they witnessed how strong the Jarl's son was.

They are both easily corruptable and have hidden agendas.

No, the new dawnguard would never do that, especially with Isran as their leader. He may be hateful, but this time it seems his hate is a good thing. If anything, you could say the new dawnguard is much more pure than the last one.

Well if the current Dawnguard have Serana with them, then I bet they will be corrupted as well and become vampires just because Serana is hot.

I agree with some points you made.

Not quite, Isran left years before this happened. he have been working on rebuilding Fort Dawnguard for years already, wanting to be prepared for anything.

The Dawnguard was formed to combat the vampires since they threaten mortals, but I suppose that can be classified as fear

The Volkihar want to block out the sun the in order to feed without the fear of the sun, though, it's really only Harkon that's want to do it. But joining the Dawnguard side, the vampires will fight for Harkon instead of staying friendly. Vampires want to feed on people which is bad, sure they're just trying to survive, but it's still considered cannibalistic and then fact that vampirism was created by a daedric lord, especially Molag Bal (Bless his dominance), it's hard to say whether it's a good thing or not.

The Dawnguard wish to protect the innocent from vampires, and exterminate them. They have a point, the vampires do attack the towns if you join the Dawnguard side and kill many of its citizens (sometimes even all of them), but to exterminate all of them, it's determined by personal perspective. Some could call it a "You're killing an entire race". I don't consider vampires a race, vampirism is a curse (or gift) from a daedric lord that grants someone Immortality and the will to feed on blood. The Dawnguard have their reasons for hunting vampires, and I will say, that is why I sided with them. But still, torture, is out of line and not needed. You're suppose to hunt vampires, not make them suffer. Their vampires, but like I said, they're not a race, they're still a person with a curse. You hate vampires? That's fine, kill them, many see them as a blight. But torture is not needed.

Why I sided with the Dawnguard? Well, I didn't want to be a vampire. I don't hate vampires. I love Serana and Valerica. They don't want to cause trouble, only isolate themselves from the outside world to be safe. But when a vampire is attacking innocent people (Movarth harrassing Morthal or Harkon's vampires attacking towns) that is when I bring justice to them.

Overall? Both sides have an evil to them. Perhaps it's just Isran that takes it too far with torturing, and Harkon taking it too far with blocking out the sun. I honestly think it's just the leaders. But there are other vampires that are just as evil as Harkon and I am sure there are some other vampire hunters that are like Isran. No one is fully doing the right thing.

This is a little fun tidbit, though I think I should make a disclaimer first: I am not saying the Dawnguard is above torturing vampires for information or whatever, only pointing out some inconsistency in the timeline here.

When you join the Dawnguard Isran makes it pretty obvious that he doesn't have people out in the field, actively hunting vampires. He is still at the recruiting stage of the war and your trip to Dimhollow seems to be the first action they take against the vampires. Since you never see or hear it referenced that vampires are being tortured it is possible that it haven't happened by the time Harkon is dead.

Another fun tidbit is that Serana is accepted by the Dawnguard by the end of the questline, so they are able to see the distiction between a vampire one is better off keeping alive and one that should be killed.

Vampires aren't human. It wouldn't be cannibalism.

Where are people getting the tortue thing from? Is it because of that bloody room where Serana was waiting for you, or did I miss some dialogue or a book?

But they are. They're just diseased.

Molag is bad. Very bad. Not all Daedra are evil, just a good portion are quite chaotic and even cruel.

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N.B: Vampires actually are meant to be bad. The thing about them is they often resort to cattle after while and always see people as prey. If they do not feed, they become quite unruly and savage. Now also bear in mind Molag Bal created so it pretty much sums up the necessity of vampire slaying.

No, it is only the torture chamber as far as I have understood it. That it is blood and vampire dust there gives it something to back it up, but there is still the problem I pointed out with the timeline.

Meaning you think that was reminiscent of the original Dawnguard, and not Isran?

The bloody room.
Vampirism molds the body and kills it, thus transforming the individual into a different creature. Same could be applied for werewolves, in a way. The disease puts the body through a morbid metamorphisis.

And even if it were cannibalism, the Bosmer do it. Just because western society sees it as Taboo, doesn't mean it is "evil".