Are the Tsaesci human? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:17 pm

The PGE1 tells us that in Cyrodiil there are people with akaviri features. Does this mean that the Tsaesci and humans of Tamriel where able to have children? How can this be even possible?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:46 am

Its been said that they might have asian features, while other accounts have them with the lower body of a snake, with two tails, and the upper body of a human. I don't think anything can be confirmed imho.

edit: It can be possible because its TES.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:34 pm

They are serpent like. Read the 2920 series, it includes two tsaesci characters.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:14 am

well mer and men have interbred before, although i am not sure how it would work with serpentine lower bodies. The child generally takes after the mother I believe

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:11 pm

I'd say think of them like http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/oa_gallery/Shinomen_naga.jpg, and http://www.iol.ie/%7Etaeger/bio/nagodess_jp50.jpg, only golden, and probably have noticeable fangs (hence the "vampire" description). I'd assume they'd still look human-like, or else they would not be so accepted (the people of Tamriel are quite xenophobic).

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:13 pm

I'd say think of them like http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/oa_gallery/Shinomen_naga.jpg, and http://www.iol.ie/%7Etaeger/bio/nagodess_jp50.jpg, only golden, and probably have noticeable fangs (hence the "vampire" description). I'd assume they'd still look human-like, or else they would not be so accepted (the people of Tamriel are quite xenophobic).

Argonians and Khajiit are (generally) accepted, and they're quite non-human.

Personally, I've always pictured something along the lines of a hydralish with slight more human upper body features. Still viscous, fanged and scaled though. Also, in viewing the TES:V trailer, I got the idea that perhaps the Tsaesci are simply a type of dragon.

But we will likely never know for sure until one actually appears in an ES game. It's certainly fun for conjecture's sake at least.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:24 pm

well mer and men have interbred before, although i am not sure how it would work with serpentine lower bodies. The child generally takes after the mother I believe

The Tsaesci were supposedly vampiric, they could probably circumvent the anatomical differences by transferring their vampirism into Imperials. Apparently, the first Blades, who were either descended from or were themselves formerly Reman's Dragonguard, seem to have had Tsaesci blood. Probably through the typical method that vampirism is transferred.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:08 pm

They are now.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Immortal Vampire Snakemen was what MK said of the Potentates I think - it may be that they have absorbed all the Tsaesci into their ranks but are unlikely to be dragons. The potentate Versuda Shae was Emperor of Tamriel so if he were a Dragon-man that would have been universally known. Hard to hide something like that when you are Emperor.

There is a fair amount of detail of the Tsaesci and other societies over there including stuff about the roles that dragons have played.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:14 am

i have always imagined them as normal humanoids but with gold scales covering their whole body for some reason. or am i thinking of something else?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:02 pm

i have always imagined them as normal humanoids but with gold scales covering their whole body for some reason. or am i thinking of something else?

Thay have been described as having golden scales if I recall correctly.

edit: Its from Mysterious Akavir, a book, the contents of which have been debated as false or exagerrated. I think it might be based on truth. In the 2920 series Savirien-Chorak is said to have looked like an ivory-yellow eel, while Potentate Versidue-Shaie is said to have scaly skin.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:53 am

According to lore the Tsaesci are said to have "swallowed" the humans that lived on Akavir. This can mean a few things; one, is the literal swallowing of humans, or the other is that the humans were integrated in the Tsaecsi after being conquered giving the Tsaecsi humans like features possibly.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:44 pm

According to lore the Tsaesci are said to have "swallowed" the humans that lived on Akavir. This can mean a few things; one, is the literal swallowing of humans, or the other is that the humans were integrated in the Tsaecsi after being conquered giving the Tsaecsi humans like features possibly.

The second statement is most likely. If you look at the creation myth for the them (on TIL, but I don't have a link handy), the concept of 'eating' or devouring seems to be very important to their culture. Its use, if you think about it,, appears also to be in reference of aquiring and integrating, rather than physical ingestion.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:54 pm

The second statement is most likely. If you look at the creation myth for the them (on TIL, but I don't have a link handy), the concept of 'eating' or devouring seems to be very important to their culture. Its use, if you think about it,, appears also to be in reference of aquiring and integrating, rather than physical ingestion.

Indeed, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/tsaesci-creation-myth-and-we-ate-it-become-it does.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:21 am

The second statement is most likely. If you look at the creation myth for the them (on TIL, but I don't have a link handy), the concept of 'eating' or devouring seems to be very important to their culture. Its use, if you think about it,, appears also to be in reference of aquiring and integrating, rather than physical ingestion.

Or passing their strain of vampirism onto perhaps.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:23 pm

Eh, I think its more that the people of Cyrodiil use the style of Akaviri, namely all the eastern stuff like Katanas and their armor. I would assume from what I read that Tsaesci are basically Serpents with arms and in a vampiric state that does not like sea warfare.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:43 pm

Reading 2920, it seems to me they are Human Upper bodies with Serpentine lower bodies, like the Yuan-Ti or Traditional Nagas.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:16 am

Reading 2920, it seems to me they are Human Upper bodies with Serpentine lower bodies, like the Yuan-Ti or Traditional Nagas.

Like the pictures I posted.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:21 am

I seem to remember reading that at a first look they appear incredibly strange looking and nothing like on Tamriel. Then again that book about the imperial empire invading the Akiviri never mentioned much about their appearence.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:34 am

Yes, but the point is, could such a serpent looking thing have a child with human? The PGE sais so.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:14 am

Yes, but the point is, could such a serpent looking thing have a child with human? The PGE sais so.

Well, the Tsaesci are thought to have either eaten or assimilated the men of Akavir so I don't think anybody would object to you thinking they could procreate with humans.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:59 pm

If i recall Tamriel Tsaecsi have integrated into imperial race/culture over the years. I don't remember which book told about this, but it said that there is Tsaecsi bloodline still to be found found in some families. I don't recall if it spoke about they being clearly different from "regular humans", it might be that they just uphold ancient Tsaecsi culture. Changes ofcourse are that this whole thing is totally made up and some families just claim to have such bloodline to get more points in social-hierarcy.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:57 am

Think of the Tsaesci as greater spirits, or angels. And not see-through spirits, but those greater than mortals. Their children with Cyrodil are a case of possession. Again, before vampires became living dead things, they were spirits which entered a person's body and took posession of them. All depictions are those of snakes. Infernal City depicts them as such, too. Ignore the game. So, we have Immortal. Vampire. Snakemen.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:56 am

Or the Cyrodiils did the horizontal tango with a bunch of snakes

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:26 pm

I don't like it, but I guess there's no avoiding: Snakemen.

Still, they don't need to be corporeal.