Yea these open world games are still missing a key thing about 1st person immersion, which is full visible body from the chest down, the player is still concept wise disconnected from the world without being able to see their full body in first person like they would realistically naturally see.

Some in the industry would argue it would cause dizzyness and other lame excuses, but Project Eden on PC (at least the demo) has 1st person full visible body awareness, something no other developer has achieved. and that game has both 1st person and 3rd person options (as well as realistic mirrors with reflections). yea it had some camera issues, but it still was steps forward in something other

developers just don't care to do to bring 1st person immersion up to standards.

Is Fallout 4 going to have or add these things? It could encourage the industry to not cut corners with genuine 1st person experience,

and would make things like VR matter more. And even without VR, it's a very important feature to make 1st person feel natural instead of tacked on.

Unknown, the few bits of first person we seen the player hasn't really been looking down to such a degree we could determine this. Nor has VR support been mentioned (tho I strongly doubt it, when 4 started development VR was still kinda a vague idea)

Actually games like Fallout 4 are the main reason I think of VR as interesting, so I sure hope that it will be made as compatible as possible.

Quite a few modern games have full visible bodies from the chest down in 1st person, not just this Project Eden thing; I think the first one was Trespasser (where you had to look down at a heart tattoo on your boobs in order to figure out your current health state:/), but games like Crysis have had bodies in them for ages, too.

Also, there are mods for Skyrim that add this, so it's a capability the engine already has.

I doubt it. Vr isnt that popular yet. Though I hope it doesnt become so popular that it becomes mandatory to play video games. I really dont want to have to wear anything except headphones to play video games. Just me

We might end up seeing our player's body in first person. After all, when we go into our Pip-Poy menu, we see his arm at the very least. On the other hand, looking down while you have your Pipboy out might cause clipping...

It would seem not...

I hope not. At best, it would be a useless distraction. The voiced protagonist is bad enough.

how would adding a body make distractions? If anything floating on air is what I find distracting.

after using VR myself on some comming game, i think VR still is far away to be something common to implement on most game, still for me VR is something i will never use for play game, it make me cut myself from my surrounding to much.

If they are they haven't said anything about it. Safe to say they aren't, though.

I find Enhanced Camera in Skyrim (first person body mod) Absolutely essential. I hope it's in be default, but would not hold my breath.

I seriously doubt it on the VR (it's not really common yet, and they've been developing the game since long before it became a thing).

As for first person body.... the few things I've seen it in, it's always looked/felt extremely awkward. So I really hope they don't. (Or that a mod can remove it easily).

It would be jiggling something in front of me that is of no interest to me when I am trying to keep my attention elsewhere. That's the theory anyway. I have never experienced it, so it could turn out to be less annoying for me than I'm predicting.

Never really got the whole "floating" thing. "I'm just a floating camera with forearms!".... nah, never felt it. On the other hand, random shapes waving into the view from the screen edges, if you happen to be looking down, is distracting as all hell.

(Note: this is likely because I've been playing FPS's without legs/etc for decades. The rare occurrences when there's a leg or foot there - I've not played any with visible torso - is a massive change from what the games I'm used to, so it's a distraction/change/strangeness. Of course, in real life you can see other things in your peripheral vision.... but this isn't real life, it's a game. And I don't have the same expectations - conscious or subconscious - that I have of real life. Also, I don't have very-wide-field peripheral vision in a game like I do IRL. So the view is completely different, and looks wrong. Even though I can see my arms/legs/shoulders/etc while I'm typing this. They're entirely different situations to me. )

If it's not in, it will be modded in. Immersive 1st person mods have been a thing in every gamesas game since Morrowind.

I highly doubt VR will be supported. VR is still very new and is a niche market. Maybe added support later on.

I know I will not be using VR since I have a feeling I will get migraines and ill within minutes like I do with 3d TV and movies.

I'd recommend getting the full game of Project Eden, it's a classic.

Though, have you played Hitman 2 on PC? It had the full body and it was done better than even modern games that have tried such as Alien Isolation.

You could also see your feet and knees in Halo Combat Evolved.

The Oculus Rift will be released in Q1 2016?!

Support or not built in or added by Bethesda for Fallout, I have full intention of purchasing the newly announced Xbox One supported Rift and controller. The first game I plan to try on it, obviously Fallout 4!!!

Full body wouldn't matter much to me either way but I wouldn't mind it. The VR thing is unlikely. That's a lot of time and effort into something less than 1% (I made that up) will be using. I'd hope they didn't waste their time with something like that. Obviously FO4 wasn't being created with VR in mind from the start. So to shoehorn it in to satisfy such a small amount of people would be pretty irresponsible money wise. Games specifically being made/marketed for VR are different in that their entire focus is that. Besides, if we haven't heard anything by now, I'd really really doubt we'd see it

Unlikely. They seem to be using a polished version of Skyrim's engine, which only has arms in 1st-person.

There are mods going back to Oblivion to add a 1st person full visible body so its been done for quite a long time.

Furthermore ps4/xbox one version of GTA V has 1st person view with a fully visible body while the last generation doesn't have first person view at all. And that was a port of an already existing game.

The issue that you have is arms can be seen clipping through armor, heavier bulkier armor in particular.

Yes, this has nothing to do with the engine. Reading this forum since June I have come to a couple of conclusions:

1) Most people don't have the faintest idea what a game engine is or what it does but they repeat the word endlessly anyway.

2) People who use the term "game engine" most frequently tend to be the very people who are most likely to nothing nothing at all about the subject of game engines.

I for one never noticed that you couldn't see your legs in games. Since it was pointed out to me I still don't notice when playing. Have heard from some (like the op states) that the full body experience causes dizziness and nausea. So I vote no but what do I know if they add it in I may be oblivious to that, I am usually looking at the world around me not my avatar (because if I am looking at myself that's when the Deathclaws attack).

As for VR support don't care about that either. I have been hearing about VR F O R E V E R (like 25 years) and I for one am waiting for it to actually become something accessible before I drop anytime or loot on it.

Well, just look at the success of Kinect for an example of "enhanced gaming experience." 90% gimmicky crap that no one wants, let alone would pay extra for. 3D, VR... no thanks.

Do you guys ever suddenly realize that you can see your nose at all times, but usually your brain edits that part out? And then spend the rest of the day trying not to look at your nose? God, it's just... right there.

Anyway, 1st-person body is something I can live without. I've never really cared, and the lack of it has never hurt my "immersion." If it gets in the way, I can see it just being annoying.