It is a shame that if you want to romance Danse you have to side with the Brotherhood at the end of the game, the brotherhood want to kill him but if you don't side with them at the end he is ignores you forever.

I don't know if this is a bug or it was planned that way, anyone knows?

If you know this is a spoiler, why did you post it in the General Section?

Moving this now.

Oh, I didn't seen the section Spoiler.

Let me ask you something:

Danse is Brotherhood, through-and-through, even going so far as to wholeheartedly agree that he should be destroyed when the truth comes out without player intervention.

With that knowledge, why on Earth would he ever want to associate with you if you blow up the local Brotherhood chapter and possibly kill Maxson in the process?

Danse isn't broken. He may be a synth, but he ain't a traitor.

How exactly a Synth who join the brotherhood isn't a traitor?

I know he never knew about it but indirectly he betrayed the BOS.

Because this "dear Maxson" wanted him dead, and now all his friends except for Haylen want him to burn.

You could use a shorter answer my dear, "They didn't wanted to make new dialogues for a Synth Danse because they are lazy, this is why he still loves the brotherhood"

I mean he's not going to betray the BoS by siding against them, even if he's exiled. If you betray and destroy them, he'll want nothing more to do with you. Feels in-character to me.

If you go on a killing spree of innocent, he will lecture you, and if you call him out that fact that he's no longer a BoS member, he will stated that he may not be a BoS member anymore, but he would not gonna sit still while you tarnish the BoS name. He still believes himself to be the BoS member. What lacking is not that but a scene of him talking about he could never travel with you. Beth is usually half assing their contents, leaving a lot of stuffs unfinished, but they really should have include more dialogues to show that it's not a glitch like with Danse. A lot of the characters should have updated dialogues.

There is nothing to fix though. Even as a Synth he is loyal to the Brotherhood, even if that means his death in the end, or hating you forever. I like how some companions are tied to factions, i wish that a few more of them was actually.

Again, he wholeheartedly agreed with them when they wanted to kill him. He even explains his action of running boiling down to instinct and training, rather than any actual desire to avoid death.

At first I thought... wait, what's wrong with Danse? When I read that topic.

The only post "Blind Betrayal" line I don't agree with, and that he likes to repeat is that Synth are abominations that should be destroyed. I totally love that he is still true to the BoS and that he follows their codex and everything. He's like a tragic hero that will forever be banned from his true destiny. I think that's the only line I would tweak, maybe express it differently. Other than that, I admire Danse for his honor and integrity. He is one of my favorite characters!

This time around, I will spare him the knowledge and he will go down with his Brothers and Sisters on the Prydwen... OMG I hate myself for even saying that, but I'm doing a full RR play-through right now!

Even if you romanced him, if you became an enemy of the brotherhood killing one member or siding with other faction at the end of the game he hates you and don't want to talk with you.

You can open his inventory to trade things but you can't talk with him, he isn't your companion anymore.

How exactly if he agreed to have a relationship he gives you a magical break up if you kill the people who want him dead?

If my boyfriend is a nazi, and then he discover he has Jew heritage he have to stop being nazi, and if I kill the nazis because they want him dead he should be grateful, not hate me!

he's not a traitor synths don't work like that u can't push a button and they just flip and kill all their friends

- he escaped the institute got mindwiped by the RR and got shipped to the capital wasteland , where it was his own decision to join the BoS , he wasn't planted there by the institute ( as far as i can tell )

- he should attack you if u destroy the BoS , it odd that he stays friendly but doesn't follow you around

- why are u so interested in the worlds biggest bigot as a companion ? is it the power armor ... be honest

Humans aren't logical like that.

If your Boyfriend chose to be a Nazi and found out he was Jewish, he'd consider himself an exception to the the antisemetic line, even if he's been outcast. He still believes in the Nazis and what they do, even if they shun him. So of course he'll hate you for killing them; he agreed with what they believe in in the first place! Just because he finds that he has hidden Jewish heritage means his entire core belief system should immediately pull a 180?

That's what's going on with Danse. He believes that the Brotherhood is the last best hope for Humanity, even if they want him dead. So yeah, he'll be mad as hell if you destroy them, because, in his eyes, you're destroying the organization that will save humanity.

Instead of invoking Godwin's Law, how about this family friendly fantasy anology:

A group of hunters dedicates their lives to hunting werewolves to protect innocent humans. One day a hunter from that group becomes a werewolf. As a hunter, he knows his duty is to protect innocents, so he fully agrees his hunter brothers should kill him. What he doesn't do is switch sides and join a werewolf pack to save himself and kill his former brothers. Because he is a man of integrity who wants to protect the innocent, even at the cost of his own life.

Oh, now I see Danse like an ass... Thanks now he is not interesting, just handsome.

Meh, my anology was better, 4/10

You make a good point because when you romance him he is extremely devoted and attached to the player and talks about it a lot. Like, instead of "thoughts" being about the interesting stuff happening in he game they are about how happy he is to be with you. This creates a certain expectation on the part of the player. Because he says my character means so much to him then he should act like it.

I think a more reasonable outcome would be 1) If the player has romanced him he cares less about the BOS than the player and stays with the player as a functional companion regardless of faction chosen to complete the MQ (his lovey dovey dialogue supports this behavior) or 2) if no romance he leaves you/ignores you, etc in favor of the BOS.

I think the emphasize here should be on the last part... "he SHOULD BE grateful..." but realistically, all his believes are turned upside down, he faced a huge personal crisis, but he still believes in the Codex of the organization, he fully trusts the leaders and what they stand for... of course he will not do a 180 turn and LOVE you for destroying EVERYTHING he holds dear and has ever known for most of his life. He gave everything to the Brotherhood.

In a real world scenario, your boyfriend would dump you and never speak to you again, for destroying his people! It's a mind set, who cares what they are, it is who they are when they identify with the group.

And yes, that's a good anology!

@ IIamaRCA: I'm not sure though, if that would be true to Danse's character though. If you destroy the BoS, I could imagine that he would be so mad and so distraught that he would never be able to stand being around you. Sure, they kicked him out, but he still believed in them, still believed they had noble intentions and honorable goals. No matter what you (the player character) feels about the faction. If you "love" Danse, then you should respect his love and devotion for the BoS.

So maybe Danse shouldn't be fixed, but the player...

I don't think the player needs to be fixed, the radiation would have already done it to him, not that it matters anyway, since kids are overrated anyway.

This issue with Danse is a design/execution issue, not a question about what we imagine about his motivations, his feelings for the player, etc. To write Danse as a very affection lover and have him simply walk away leaves the player hanging. Even if the player and Danse are only friends, ending that relationship would have more impact if there was an explicit discussion doing so. Having nothing leaves players hanging and speculating, when one conversation would wrap it up nicely for the player and leave them satisfied because they know/understand his motivations. No conversation leaves players wondering if it's a bug or a glitch.

Edit: clarity

I adventured with Danse for the longest time.
He's okay, a good guy.
Several times though, he would say strange things (made him sound like a nerd or a square. Hmmm...)

So in MY game, Danse is alright - he's in his Bunker or wherever.
(And I have his old T-60d rig all pimped out, he'd be horrified, but that's another story.)
The Institute is destroyed, I'm General of the Minutemen, and the Railroad and BoS like me just fine.
But if I romanced Danse, apparently the BoS will shoot him on sight?

That's not good right there.
But you're saying you CAN'T romance him now? Not unless you sided with the BoS in the endgame?
(Just want to make the question very clear)
Because that would be unfortunate, it is what it is regardless of whoever fought who in the endgame.

This is my main problem. I don't mind if he hates me but would it hurt Beth to include lines for him to talk about it instead of just opening the trade menu?

You can only get him if you side with the BoS or the Minutemen, any ending that require you to destroy the BoS would make him unavailable as a companion, but he wouldn't turn on you like the other faction tie characters. Yeah, as for as they concern, Danse is dead to them, having him strolling around the area kinda undermine Maxson's authority. It svcks that he's the only romanceable character that tie to a faction.

Oh, ok, ok, I totally get where you are coming from. I never had a falling out with Danse, so I didn't know he would simply walk away, without any word or discussion. Yes, I agree, there should at least be some sort of dialogue in that situation.

People who are confused at this seriously think just because Danse was exiled would suddenly mean he'd be totally OK with you murdering the people he fought alongside for years and no doubt formed many friendships with? Do you think he'd totally be OK with you murdering Haylen?

That's not including if you sided with the Institute. Why would he ever want to be with you if you killed what are essentially his friends and family for an organization he thinks is a tremendous threat?