Was that a witty attempt at incognito slander?

So incognito I almost missed it myself!

PS I'm taking a break for dinner. Be back to defend womankind when the chips have run out. Maybe.

Big boobs AND big brains - problem solved.

Problem, gender inequality?

The issue of race is often given a special, separate status by pundits. The problem is that this status functions to segregate race issues not only from feminism, but also segregates the race issues of different races. (To give an example, a recent NPR report I heard talked about how NAACP local chapters in several areas were gaining larger latino membership, causing controversy because this meant the local NAACP peeps were broadening their focus to issues facing the latino community.)

edit1: found a transcript of the report I heard: http://www.npr.org/2011/04/04/135121163/new-naacp-leaders-broaden-groups-mission

I think you completely misunderstand my post if you feel you have to defend womankind, because I'm doing the exact same thing. I think it's pretty absurd that people would do that. I don't make baseless generalized assumptions about a woman based off of her appearance. I enjoy intelligent woman, woman who I have have a conversation with. Sadly, some people don't see it that way.

I was being facetious

I would love to agree with this but I have just this minute come off a forum that proves very much otherwise and showed the newest 'expectation' put on women.

The discussion was on whether women should remove the hair from their crotch. The OP had apparentely been completely disgusted by a woman he had intended to sleep with who hadn't, he was so disgusted that he couldn't sleep with her. The general consensus in the thread was that womens crotches are disgusting unless the hair is removed and to quote one guy...



Here was one girl's answer...


Here is another girl's reply....


Here is yet another girl's reply....



This is peer pressure at it's best. Removal of crotch hair is a very recent thing, pretty unheard of back in my day and I am only in my mid thirties. What is so shocking is that this is the generation coming up that are now conditioned to the belief that if you don't remove the hair on your crotch you are to be rediculed and are 'gross'. It is extremely hard to go against society as a whole and pretty much ensures a lonely life, especially when you are young, in school or college. This 'programming' sets people up for life. Society aka the media must change for there to be any real change. The sad thing is that before porm, removing hair from ones crotch was pretty unheard of. The only reason they started it in porm was so that things are more 'viewable'. Now this is a 'standard' of beauty. :facepalm:

Take that back further, women did not start shaving until the 1920's. They started shaving because Gillette decided they wanted to expand their customer base to the other half of the population and started to advertise that hairy legs on women were gross and we should all shave. Before Gillette did that men would find the idea of women shaving really repulsive. They were probably in their groups laughing about that woman who removed the hair from her legs and now looks like a bald alien and how disgusting it was.

So when we look at the reasons why we have these 'standards' of beauty and these expectations, the reasons behind them are pretty sick and nothing to do with actual true beauty, which has always been and will always be in the eyes of the beholder and encompassing so many variations. Ultimately these 'expectations' are not even about what we think they are about. I got angry when I heard about the Gillette thing and realised that this was the reason why I shave my legs daily and am a slave to it throughout my life. All so some company can make money.



Really?....Seriously? You have never heard of a woman being treated like a brainless bimbo simply on the size of her briasts? The whole big briasted blondes are stupid thing? Something portrayed constantly in TV and film. Something joked about constantly in media and real life.

Unfortunately I know many women who have been considered less intelligent because of their bust size. Sadly I have even known women treating large briasted women as inferior and less intelligent.



Sadly this is very true. I find that if I don't state that I am NOT a feminist then I am labeled one, if I dare to point out some inequality between the sixes. The risk of being labeled one is exactly as you have listed, but it is also that people simply dismiss what I have have said. It seems that the words of a feminist are discounted as sixist ravings, something very unfairly portrayed by the media.

I don't label myself anything. I am simply a woman who will pipe up about what she sees as unfair. I do it for everything I think is unfair, not only for issues that directly affect me. I am also aware that I owe a heck of a lot to 'feminism' and those women that stood up to fight for the rights that I would not have had if they hadn't.

So this is the thread that brings you back to CD.

EDIT: Wait, never mind, I see you've made a fair few other posts, guess I haven't been around much recently either.

Anna Nicole Smith, ftw Alex

It is my experience that women are much harder on women about their physical appearance than men are.

....lol.
Because Anna Nicole Smith did absolutely nothing besides having "big boobs" to make people think she was a complete idiot. Bless her heart.
:rolleyes:

I made that comment tongue-in-cheek obviously... the reality is, women like Anna Nicole Smith, Marylin Monroe, etc, they are VERY smart, they know they can get ahead playing the dumb vixen... and that is something that, as long as men have testosterone, much more often than not will work in favor of a woman. Yes, we men are THAT shallow

You can blame the advlt entertainment industry and stickcam for that..

God forbid she has it on her face, had to intervene a few weeks ago because sixth grade boys were ridiculing and mocking the sixuality of sixth grade girls who had finely haired mustaches. Yet not one of those boys had facial hair of their own to boast of. I had to explain about heredity, the prescence of enzymes responsible for hair growith, and that it was perfectly normal for MAMMALS to have body hair.




The only reason I can see to have well maintained nether region hair is for recreational reproductive activities. By golly, keeping clean is a must for both genders. However, complete abscence of hair down there is a turn off. The hubs agrees.


Being big busted myself, have experienced a lot of negative flak from oddly, women. Apparently large bust size equates with stupidity and sleeping one's way to the top. Although if I had to call it, I'd call it jealousy.

Because girls would never make fun of a guy for going against gender roles. The fact is both sixes have an 'ideal' and deviating from that usually makes people take notice and in some cases harass. I don't know which is worse, I've only been on one side of the argument. However girls aren't the only ones to get picked on.

I will say I think when girls don't get along they are a lot more vicious about it than guys. Women seem to socially exile the one they don't like, whereas males seem to physically fight and then it is over. Though that is a pretty big generalization to make on my part, I'm not sure exactly how true that is.

I'm sorry but you can't "blame" that on anything. It's just personal taste. You're telling me that up until 1920 no man thought it a little gross that it was all hairy? There wasn't really an option in those times, but you're telling me NO ONE thought it was weird? I say [censored].
I'm sorry, but I don't watch porm, I never have, and I find it weird. It's not that I have some sort of "standard", it just gets in the way. It's just called a personal opinion, and it's not influenced on anything related to porm. It just grosses me out.

Excactly how is the prescence of hair on mammals going against gender roles? These little girls didn't mock the boys back. Instead, they told them to shut up. They were near tears. Because the fashion industry has deemed female hirstutism as unnatural and unnatractive, when in fact, it is quite common, and one of the defining characteristics of a mammal.
You are dead on about girls having teh capacity to be more vicious though. When one ticks another one off, the supportors band together, torment, and make life miserable for the one who offended. That's a sort of emotional bullying I have to deal with far too often. Boys tend to duke it out and be done with it.
I have noticed, however, that most young women, tweens, and teens seem to prefer men that are more metrosixual, less hirstute, and selective about clothing. Can't tell you how many times I have been asked to settle disagreements over who's hotter.

Maybe gender roles was a bad term for it. I'm more saying how women and men are "supposed" to act. Women deal with crap for not shaving, but if a man shaved his legs [for a non-sports related reason] he would be made fun of too. I don't know if this is necessarily that women are held to a higher standard so much as a different standard. It svcks that women usually get shafted with the standard that requires more work though.

..and yet the majority of "standards" that woman are set to, are set by woman, not men.

I don't think there were any magazines before or shortly after 1920 showing women in bikinis or naked, so probably most men didn't know there was an alternative, and neither did women. I cannot tell you what people thought in 1920, I wasn't there, but I can tell you that, increasingly, what people see on TV, magazines, etc. dictates what they wear and what they use. You just need to look at the fashion industry. Most everyone wants to wear what's in style.

Or, how about men with shaven heads? Before Michael Jordan shaved his head, shaved heads weren't really "in". You didn't have movie stars like Jason Statham... only the bad guys had shaved heads.. the good guys, full heads of hair, even if their were toupees. Nowadays, men with full heads of hair shave their heads for the look.

So don't tell me media doesn't influence people's "personal" tastes.

Pretty sure I never said that the media didn't influence my personal taste in general. Of coarse it does.
I said it didn't influence my personal taste in that. Everything != shaved crotch.
I see.

How old are you? Where do you live and where were you raised? I am in my 40s, live in Ontario so bascially got stuck with the USA TV and media. The bigger the females bust, the dumber they were.

Good looking, smoking hot, skinny busty women usually don't equate to being smart, but usally in porm or working as a stripper or some how in the six trade. That is not true of course but in the 80's, 90's and even in todays society it still goes like that.

Same goes for guys, if you have muscles, you are a jock who is in sports and is stupid. If you are skinny and wear glasses you are a geek or nerd and have to be smart, and don't get any girls.

How you never seen or herd this before, would be mind boggling to me, since it's everywhere, and lots of people think that. The example of a short balding, pot bellied man walking into a bar and not one woman would look at him. It goes both ways. So to say it's ridiculous is wrong, it is true.

Damn multi quote is not working for me with new IE 9 browser. Sorry about that.

To the quote, what you said is exactly true. As I said before, the perception goes both ways. For women they have to deal with it more. So your example of dumb jock, goes exactly with big chest. Most people you notice with a big chest will be pretty, and if she is pretty, she is dumb. If she is working and has power, eg being a boss, or high up in a company, then people will say she slept her way to the top. Why because she can't be smart enough so she has to go on her looks.

This was really bad in the 90's for women, you wouldn't know because you would have just been born. It is better now, with rules and laws about sixual descrimination, but it still does happen, not as it use to so the enviorment is getting better. I guess since you don't see it, goes to show you how much better it is getting.

Also big briasts is a sixual thing. I don't know if you are male of female, but if you are male, when you look at a woman, and if she is attractive/big breats/ tight butt/ what ever, do you think, "my god she is so smart" or do you think "my god she is smoking hot"? So you just have objectifed a woman, not on a grand scale of calling her dumb, but that is how it starts. Thing is in todays society at least in North America this is how we are taught, not to actually objectify women, but we still do, but not so openly anymore, (like wistling or cat call, again done in the old days, slapping women on the butt as they walked by) and we are getting better. Not perfect, still along ways to go.

This is why women are held to a high standard. They have to be equal to men and also be good looking as well. Women can really be cruel to other women about looks, so they also have a big part as well to make things better as well.

I'm sorry but I see no wrong in looking at a woman and thinking to myself how beautiful she is. That's called human nature. I'll do it all day and I'll do it until the day I die.
Woman are beautiful. I enjoy the way they look. It excites me. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
But, that's not what is important relationship/friend wise in woman. Well, to me at least. Intelligence, mutual interest, intellectual conversations, that's the stuff. A beautiful face is just extra.

I agree about the marketing prowess of razor companies and businesses in general, as well as the porm industry, however, I dunno if you're a guy or not, but I'd personally hate having a mouth full of hair. Just saying. There's quite hygienic reasons to shave, as well as considerate. I don't see much connection relating to beauty.


Since you're talking about the media, I'm not surprised you see bimbos with large briasts as a connotation. However, in the very real world of selling products, these kind of women, more than happy to earn a paycheck in this regard, are prominent. I don't see any problem with this. If it wasn't okay then a woman wouldn't apply for these positions. A cousin of mine moved to Vegas and was chosen to be a bartender at a major casino largely because of her bust size. She knew what she was getting into and gladly took money from the idiots tipping her extra because of her boobs. Female powah? The point of this is to show that it isn't this one-sided, and that women do perpetuate stereotypes as well, and to a far underrated degree. It won't ever go away, because a good portion of women either don't mind them, or benefit from it.