Got to love hype.

Like a big game of telephone everyones loses at.
Wait for the complaining threads that will be out in November.

The good news is that 13 is unlikely. most people who worry about that only played the PC versions of TES. I play the console versions then get the PC versions for mods and other fun stuff. This means I know the ups and downs of both worlds. morrowind's fog distance can't be help on xbox (witch is really annoying). Oblivion was more dumbed down on the xbox360 than the PC version EVER was (ie: Blurry spell and weapon icons, its dark in dungeons to the point where night eye is essential, I think that begger voice acting may have been turned down a notch, ect). So if you think that Bethesda give console players special treatment, think again.

PS: what consoles do have over PC is mobility (anolog sticks may not be able to beat a mouse, but they will always leave wsad and arrow keys in the dust), and its enough to keep me coming back to the 360 (that and it's unlikely it will ever crash on that platform do to hitchhiker mods).

Shouldn't we wait until the game is released before we start complaining about it?

There is a difference between complaining and worrying.

I try not to be a worry wort, especially on a game that hasn't been released yet. Bethseda's track record speaks for itself imo, they have cranked out the best RPG series ever. I will go on that and hope they deliver once again.

^^This^^
Also, to be honest, fantasy needs to have cliches to work.
Orcs, elves and warrior races anyone? Hey look, the orcs are aggresive and the elves are all peaceful and magicky! People accept the cliche fantasy world and it seems strange without these things in them.
If anything, dragons are less "cliche" and were a part of this genre before any of the others. I'm glad they are finally in. Fantasy needs em to be fantasy :flamethrower:

Dragons are really unique in Skyrim. Definitely wouldn't call the cliché, indeed
1. They're wicked awesome. Look awesome. Awesome animations.
2. Your player has a strong connection to the dragons themselves. You can use dragon shouts even so. Definitely not cliché there
3. The most unique part though is that the dragons speak when they breathe fire. They also speak when they're flying I think (I think this is supported by lore somewhere; I remembering reading about it as an explanation to why so big creatures can fly). So what makes dragons so powerful is not because they're simply dragons, it's because of the language which they speak (which you can in turn learn to speak as a dragonborn). How someone would be able to call that cliché, I don't understand. It's as unique as it possibly can get.

I not bothered about most of those things.
Except these:



I'd like spears to be in game too, but I realize that this won't happen. I'd prefer it if fast travel was more like Morrowind's but it's not a big deal.

What most of the concerns in the original post come down to is the fear that Bethesda will betray its fans. That they instead of slowly growing a larger and larger dedicated base, will abandon them in an attempt to grab whatever is the popular target audience/audiences of the day. This has happened so many times both within the video games industry and elsewhere as well that it is quite easy to get paranoid about it. To make it worse, many times it does not work as the longitme fans leave frustrated and the new audience quickly go elesewhere. I am personally a little worried about this, but not as much with Bethesda (yet) as I would be with other companies.

Nope, it didnt work like the way they wanted it to, so they had to "dumb it down". Everybody was killing everybody else and glitching up.

They refined it and made it work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KN7cKO8-P0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zk0eodQHI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8hetpJxXSw&feature=related
:P

^This

I don't want to start a discussion about Oblivion's AI here, but it is absolutely no explanation for the things shown in the video. It has nothing to do with people killing each other (which only happens if they start to steal things or in combat situations, the first point could be avoided easily, the second point still happens in game when the player takes action). The video makes it look as if the NPCs constantly make cool decisions about what they do next all on their own. Practice archery, drink potions to increase their skills if they're bad at it, get annoyed by their dog, punish their dog, go to sleep and all that within a few minutes of gameplay. I know I was very excited when I saw the video and thought how cool it was. It looked as if NPCs were almost lifelike, doing different things all the time. As if following them and looking at their actions would be a lot of fun on its own.

The reality was very different from what happened in the video. NPCs can't pick more than one package per hour and the packages are very limited unless you spend a hell of a lot of time setting up a cool schedule for every single NPC (which causes AI overload if too many NPCs are in the loaded area apart from that). What happened in the video is perfectly possible with Oblivion's AI, but it requires a lot of packages and a lot of scripting, none of the NPCs in game have a schedule/script setup that is even remotely as detailed as what was shown there. Which is not directly a lie, but a huge exaggeration since it only shows what is theoretically possible if you concentrate all your effort on a small sequence of actions done by a single NPC. Naturally after you had seen the video you believed that this is more or less how every NPC in the game would act all the time all on his own. Instead the NPCs just wandered around in town aimlessly most of the time and talked about mud crabs.

I'm not even saying Oblivion's AI was bad for its time. It was a good step forward from Morrowind and overall it was ok. But it was very, very far away from the over-hyped 'Radiant AI' they were advertising. Which was kind of a let-down for many people. That 'mass murder AI' myth is just a lame way of damage containment. They simply tried to do it the Peter Molyneux way (aka as generating hype about features that sound too good to be true and then turn out to be too good to be true) and they failed.

So far everything they've shown/said about Skyrim sounds and looks reasonable to me, so I guess they learned their lesson. :shrug:



I thought this forum was ad-free. :rolleyes:

I thought this forum was for expressing our opinions? That's my opinion. Sorry it didn't meet your expectations. It met mine. Please refrain from being rude in future posts. Thank you.

But that wasn't an opinion >_>......you made a statement....and a poster gave Vid examples on the last page about how that statement was wrong and Phitt whos very intimate with the workins of Oblivion gave an educated response....... >_>...........jeesh what is that called when your trying to deface someone when they didnt do anything remotely close to what they are accused?

So wait...are you saying people are worried??

I actually think they have, they stated lots of things that were true. They realized most of their mistakes from Oblivion (as stated by Todd H. in an interview).

It doesn't seem impossible for NPCs to react the way Beth originaly wanted them to react nowadays.

JMcd: You're right, and I don't get this fear, because Beth creates the game they want to play, mostly. I think sometimes the people on this forum can be overdramatic about added\removed features, but their worries are just as they loved these features or just don't get how the game will work without them.

SuperFluid: Apparently so, worrying is about 90% of the topic in this forum

Can you add something to the list for me? I'm a bit worried that Skyrim is going to make my computer sentient, causing it to grow legs and try to murder me.

What? It's a legitimate concern.

It actually is! I've had this concern for quite some time now!

EDIT: Now this thread is a poll, because I'm curious how many people are worried and which worries are the most popular ones.

Ooo thanks, nice poll.

I chose:

The possiblity of no spellmaking.
The removal of attributes (and moving them into other parts of the game)
The removal of acrobatics, athletics and mysticism.
A simple storyline that lacks depth.
Fast travel in Skyrim.
Having quest markers and a quest compass.
The removal of birthsigns.
Not having enough choices and consequences in the game.
The removal of classes.Not being able to climb mountains.
How powerful magnetism will be.
Skyrim may have less role playing options.
Not having seperate armor slots.
Dragons being too easy and lame or too hard and exhausting.
I'm suspicious that the trailer's dragon fight was scripted.

Todd giving misleading information about Skyrim's features. <------------ My biggest concern... can't believe I fell for the "radiant AI" that he kept lavishing about before OB's release... and it absolutely svcked.

Possiblty not having mounts.
Being limited in-game due to children being invincible.
Level scaling.
Not having levitation.

I'm also very worried about the possibility of Skyrim not having a Unicorn.

Yeah, I know! It felt appropriate for such a thread. The proof is that lots of people vote now.

Anyway, I chose "None at all", that's just my opinion.

I'd love that if people commented a few more comments so I can create a new thread for people so everyone can vote a little better (as this thread is about to reach its 200 posts limit).

1: Who's M'aiq?
2: Todd has lied to us once, and according to phsychology, the best way to judge a person's actions in the future is according to his past actions.
3: Dragons are awesome, so no, there can never be too many of them.
4: About fast travel, seriously people... don't like it, DON'T USE IT. People who say this is wrong are simply easily tempted or want this feature in one way or another. With carriages now this discussion is over. I think fast travel in Oblivion was FINE, /discussion.

Come on people, are you serious all this stuff worries you? about 99% of the things you're worrying about hasn't even been confirmed, wait for the game to come out and play it, then judge it, not before. Seriously...

The poll is actually a bit of relief. As of right now, the storyline and choices and consequences options are tied to lead.

Good to know that people still want a TES game.

So far Skyrim looks amazing and I'm sure it will be. The only thing that concerns me is the storyline. For me, a good RPG needs a good story and memorable characters and I'm not sure if Skyrim will deliver in this department. Still, this game will be fantastic.