:shrug: not for me.

but the point of the videos they released as well as the screen shots were to show off how much better it is supposed to be so for those who do care it does equate to a problem.

No, he just noticed something, what are you, negativity police?

I think what they mean is pretty clear when you look at the screenshot you posted. It's not the overall draw distance (as in 'you can look from one end of Skyrim to the other end of Skyrim) and not the distance at which objects in the loaded area appear in full detail. It's the detail of the distant landscape. Just compare http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/oto_vanillaLOD.jpg (Oblivion pre-patch distant landscape) and http://cdnstatic.gamesas.com/akqacms/files/tes/screenshots/CompositeMountain_wLegal.jpg. Looks like Pacman compared to Crysis.

If I was I would always be quoting you, that's for sure. What I meant was he closed his post by saying "something isn't right here". Well at that point in time, Skyrim was at least 9 months from release. Yes, a bush popped in. It happens. You can still see distance mountains even in that particular scene, so i'm confused? A lot of the screens show a lot of distant mountains and objects just fine. A bush popping in on pre alpha footage is nothing to call the draw distance out on.

Also another worry I have is that there will be no practical way to play as a character who wields two shields, I hope there will be perks that increase the offensive capabilities of shields.

your bush problem is stupid... we've got bigger things to worry about... like my shield problem and whether or not a unicorn will be making an appearance in Skyrim.

I know that in some games distant terrain is drawn with fewer polygons and becomes more detailed as you become closer. That save a ton on GPU workload, and might not look too bad in conjunction with strategic use of haze. Living in Utah, sometimes the mountains seem really close and vertical thanks to exceptionally clear weather, and at other times seems really distant due to various weather effects. I wonder what platform the trailer was rendered on. Some of the bits I've seen make me think its a console.

The way the bush pops up but all the trees and rocks around are drawn to much farther distances suggests the engine either assigns flat draw distances to categories of objects, or it assigns priorities based on current engine rendering load. If its the second than I'm not very worried, since that particular bit of video shows camera movement in a way it should almost never move in the actual game. Moving at slower speeds I doubt the issue would be noticeable.



If even one person had a chance to experience the awesomeness that is ponycorns, then my job here is done. :thumbsup:

If Bethesda claim that the so special thing about their engine is how much it draws, and when the view distance we've seen so far is minimal and the object distance in the trailer clip minimal as well, I'd say there is a problem.
The engine was made in the start and if it was their main goal to draw so much, then it's not going to change within 9 months. It would have been so from the start.

It's like if a developer says the main focus and so special thing about the engine is such amazing lighting, and the game doesn't even have dynamic shadows.

Nevermind. Misinterpreted the post.

I still maintain that the bush issue is likely due to how the camera perspective is moving in that scene, which is far faster and more panoramic than we are likely to ever see in-game aside from cutscenes.

I think the biggest problem with open world games is to make the transition between 'loaded area' and distant land as unnoticeable as possible. And I think that's what they were talking about. In Oblivion you could clearly see where the loaded area ends and where the distant land begins. In Skyrim you will still see a difference, but looking at the screenshots the illusion for a coherent world will be much more believable. That's what they mean when they say draw a lot of stuff in the distance so we have a really sophisticated level of detail. You could almost believe the mountains visible on the screenshot were rendered in full detail.

Despite what certain fundamentalistic members of this forum say, the overall view distance probably will be smaller compared to Oblivion. But if the feeling for a coherent world will improve due to that I'm all for it. The next step would be an extremely large view distance and a fantastic amount of detail (and no popping in of full-detail objects).

Sigh. You obviously haven't read my comment properly and you obviouslt haven't read my previous comments properly. Please read more carefully in the future, thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

This is also very possible.

I'm sure there'll be some. Plus you can bash with shields, which I'm sure can cause some damage. Except for that, it increases your block skill.

Although I'm half sure you're kidding, it's still a good reason to be worried about!

And don't forget to add Ponycorns!

THIS ^

Plus, I believe the bush popping in the trailer may be a bug. I also think they could've done the trailer better... some features brought up in the trailer didn't really bring the bright side of Skyrim. Nonetheless, it's an amazing trailer.

Imagine the day when we all actually start playing the game and laugh it out how we were all concerned with all these problems and bring back memories of this very day. Yeah, nostalgic.

I've read the comments and that's how I interpreted it. If that's not what you meant then I apologize.

I was kidding about the bush thing.... maybe.

But I'm serious about the shields and the unicorn.

For one thing the dragon fight in the trailer was scripted. In the real game you wont be able to kill them nearly that easily. Also i'm not worried about any of this, Bethesda has been doing this for a long time and they know what they're doing.

Top concerns for now are (concerns that has more than 25 people voted for):

• First place with 31 votes: Possibly no spell-making.
  
• Second place with 30 votes: A simple storyline that lacks depth.
  
• Third place with 29 votes: Not having seperate armor slots.
  
• Forth place with 28 votes: Having quest markers and a quest compass.
  
• Fifth place with 26 votes: The removal of birthsigns.
  
• Sixth place with 26 votes: Not having open-cities.

It a bit surprises me that Birthsigns are such a great concern among this community. Also the "Not having open-cities".

Do you find it weird too or is it logical to you?

It was heavily edited that's why the dragon went down easily. They're not going to show an entire dragon fight in a 2 minute and 54 second trailer.

Okay, no problem

@DarkDeliverians:
Strange climbing isn't on the top list...
I thought everyone here wanted climbing. And I mean actual climbing, not ... jump or run up a mountain hehe

Except for 'simple storyline that lacks depth' none of my concerns made it into the top 5.

The only thing I wouldn't like to see removed are separate armor slots, but I doubt that will happen. Of course I wouldn't mind open cities, but it's not something I care about much.

I'm sure people want climbing but most people will be fine without it. That's probably the case. I'm one of them by the way ^^".. I want climbing but it's fine with me if it's not in.

@DarkDeliverians I'm really surprised that spellcrafting is above quest markers. I thought that'd be #1.

@Phitt You don't want separate armor slots?