You PC gamers had the opportunity to say [censored] you to Steam, but didn't. Now enjoy your DRM [censored] and everything that comes with it

October 15th, 2015.

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/654763011677143041

Not the best choice of font color.

It's attention grabbing color. It's a hostile color. It's not about Steam by itself, it's about hiding behind profit without even a mention that you're being a cheapskate. I'd have skipped the cheap a$$ little poster to get on the steam predownload side of the fence. HAD I KNOWN THEY WERE CHEAPING OUT ON ME.

My whole point is that I don't want to download a game when I buy it on disk. You don't want to give me a disk, great, say that up front. I'll download it. Don't f'ing sneak around and sell me 1/5th of the game when I buy the optical disk version. Pathetic.

Nowhereman87:

Take your DRM argument somewhere else, you obviously missed the point.

I am just a small fish, in a big pond, but I will have to disagree with a few things Mr Hines has to say.

I pre-ordered the game specifically to have a hard copy, and avoid the tremendous bandwidth/data-svck that loading the remaining 80% off of Steam will now entail. Sorry, but I don't have access to fiber or cable and have to rely on satellite for my Internet connection, which has expensive monthly data limits. I do have the fastest satellite service on the market and pay a handsome price for the top tier of monthly data.

But only 20% of the data is on the disk? How many Gb are we talking here? 25gb !?!? are you insane!?

Sorry, but that does not adequately explain the missing data only for PC users, now does it? I do have a Steam account, I have legitimately purchased the software license, but I only get 20% of it? I have to pay more to get the rest? Then I have to suffer a bandwidth cap for the rest of the month? Using Steam as a DRM is not a problem, many of the games I have purchased on DVD have all of the data, they only need to be activated through Steam, end of DRM hassle. As an anti-piracy measure, selling 20% ONLY to the PC user is a bit like the draconian marketing practices of Ubisoft and EA, isn't it? Especially for a new release title that has as many problems as this one does: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1544248-bug-report-index-pc/

No, I am sorry, but that is not accurate. I purchased Fallout 3 GOTY, it didn't need Steam, just the activation code. I purchased Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition, that used Steam but I was able to load the entire data set from the DVD and download a few small update files from Steam. From what I have seen, the DRM for those titles works pretty well, and they are still selling!!

I hate to say this, but this game may be the first one I send back for refund if it causes problems with my ISP and YES Mr. Hines! You are punishing the legitimate customer with needless, pointless and ineffective practices for what a few pirates do when just an activation code and DRM activation service will work just fine at deterring most of them. That is why Steam was created, wasn't it? You can not make something 100% foolproof, they just make better fools.

Needless to say, I am truly disappointed by the flaws and problems at release, inaccurate screenshots and videos, and now find out I am not getting what I have paid for, very poor marketing and customer relations. Think of it this way: for every 1 pirate you try to deter with pointless measures, you drive away 10 legitimate customers, punch up those numbers and see what you get.

@Nowhereman87: If you bother to read my comment, you will understand that you have no idea what the OP is about. It has nothing to do with Steam. Many games purchased on DVD that need activation through Steam have ALL of the data, not a 25Gb download to get the rest. For many people, just that alone is a deal breaker.

I can't read it on my phone. Anything worth reading?

That's how much fits on a DVD.

Deal with it...

No, just the classic rant. Understandable, but still.

Wake me up when a PC gamer is NOT whining about something.

god, my eyes!!

WAKE up! PC Gamer not whining right here.

It's unreadable on mobile and I'm not even going to try

USE ORANGE ??? Yellow is unreadable on mobile due to white backgrounds

I'm on my phone and I cannot read a word of that.

He said "WHHAAAA! I want to go back to 1990's when all games were completely on plastic disks."

There are about 3 threads about this "topic" already

this.

The format that people are commonly using to read discs is over a decade old, and is limited on how much information can be stored. OP, consider for a moment that discs cannot store unlimited amount of data, and the fact that the size of games has been steadily increasing. Do you really want to use 4 or 5 discs rather than just digitally downloading the remainder? If your internet isn't good, or you have data caps, I feel your pain and understand. However this isn't a failure on bethesda's part. Its a general issue that blu ray drives are not yet standard among people who use PCs.

Are you offering to run fibre-optic cables to every home on the planet? Because believe it or not there are still A LOT of people out there who rely on games actually being on the discs they buy; that's the reason they buy discs instead of digital. Why offer a disc if you've got to download most of it anyway?

Why is it then that my PS4 disc has EVERYTHING on it? hmmmm?

"deal with it?"

lol

And you are?

lol

It is dishonest.. They could have stated this would be the case before selling it.

It is not Steam's fault for putting the game on one DVD and have us download the rest. That is purely Bethesda's fault. If Bethesda truly cared about players concerned with bandwidth, then they would have them download only 1 GB or less for piracy issues and have the rest of the games on DVDs or finally use Blu-rays.

There might be problems with Steam, but this is not one of them.

This too. My bolding and underline.

Only thing I have to offer is perhaps some very minimal entertainment value

Steam games have involved substantial downloads for years as far as I was aware. I think they "offer" the plastic thing and package mainly as shelf-based marketing in brick-and-mortar stores that sell computer games. I ranted and complained no less myself about 5 years ago as it became obvious that Bethesda (as well as many other AAA publishers such as Firaxis) was going to the "Steam only distribution" scheme. We "lost." Some of us gave in. Others changed their user account names and pretend they never ranted against the "tyranny of Steam only digital distribution" , I have more dignity than that.

I was foolish to be indignant and complain and express hysterics that Steam was the gaming equivalent of the Oblivion crisis.

So while I empathize with those of you who have apparently been asleep or not paying attention to the "takeover" of the PC gaming market by Steam, I have to say, you are being no less rational than "we" were back in the day.

I think the lack of information is the main issue. I bought a physical copy believing I wouldn't have to download much, if anything, of the game. The fact that you have to download the majority of it wasn't made clear to buyers, regardless of some tweet.

I understand the reasons for doing so, even if I disagree with them, but at least make it absolutely crystal clear what is on the disc and what has to be downloaded.

I don't mind Steam. I have purchased games from Steam..

Also I won't change my user name.. I doubt they care what i think anyway.

I am who I am.. -shrug-

Except you don't get the fact that while Steam is the foremost DRM out there, and trust me, most of us accepted that long ago, until THIS YEAR every game I have physically bought for PC has included an entire working game on the disc(s) in the box. Sure there have been "large" day one patches and even bigger DLC's to contend with; but this is the first time the game has not been in a playable state direct from disc and activated.